Originally Posted By Nobody "And since I have yet to see them cast a man as Maria von Trapp in the next revival of "The Sound of Music," or a woman as the Captain, I, likewise, don't think it's out of order for the park to respect gender roles as part of its show either." Haven't several stage versions of Peter Pan messed up that up that premise for you already?
Originally Posted By USCSurfer I worked Fantasyland ops way back when too and no one ever commented about feeling put out because of the attractions we didn't work. Women didn't pine over working Skyway, and guys didn't long for Storybook. It was a non-issue really. Disney was entertainment, and you were cast into certain roles. Some attractions were designated as male attractions, some female. And it wasn't like we just accepted it because we were living in a 1940s-like America and had to, it just wasn't a big deal. But all that is irrelevant now anyway. Times are a changin'.
Originally Posted By hbquikcomjamesl Uh, so far as I'm aware, narrating and controlling speed on a Storybook Land Canal Boat, or a Jungle Cruise boat, simply calls for a raconteur who can avoid crashing into the next boat. Driving a Main Street vehicle, or running a DLRR locomotive, or a Monorail trainset, simply calls for the ability to safely operate the equipment. Loading the Skyway calls for that, and a certain level of stamina and physical strength, but again, that's about it. They're not gender-specific roles, any more than "Leading Player" in "Pippin" is gender-specific (Sacramento's Runaway Stage Productions in fact DID stage "Pippin" with a woman as "Leading Player," and it was a wonderful production.)
Originally Posted By TP2000 Quite honestly, I am more concerned with the physical size of many Disneyland CM's now. Last week there was a young man on the back of the tram from M&F who was truly gigantic. He had to squeeze his frame onto the platform between the back of the tram and the metal bar, and that platform is a couple feet wide. He was sort of wedged in there and was unable to move, much less pace back and forth on the back of the platform as most of those CM's do while the tram boards and moves down the road. Aside from the physical attractiveness issue, some of these CM's are performing job duties that require a physicality (like pacing the platform and checking both sides of the tram) that ensure safety. But he was so big that he couldn't move on that rear platform. It wasn't pretty, and it certainly wasn't safe. How is that acceptable to Disney management????
Originally Posted By tashajilek Moondoggie, about the churning butter it was meant as a joke not to be sarcastic so sorry if it came across as that. All that matters is if the CM is doing the job right and safe as TP2000 is mentioning about being the main concern.
Originally Posted By TherealTDASuit <<<Quite honestly, I am more concerned with the physical size of many Disneyland CM's now. Last week there was a young man on the back of the tram from M&F who was truly gigantic. He had to squeeze his frame onto the platform between the back of the tram and the metal bar, and that platform is a couple feet wide. He was sort of wedged in there and was unable to move, much less pace back and forth on the back of the platform as most of those CM's do while the tram boards and moves down the road. Aside from the physical attractiveness issue, some of these CM's are performing job duties that require a physicality (like pacing the platform and checking both sides of the tram) that ensure safety. But he was so big that he couldn't move on that rear platform. It wasn't pretty, and it certainly wasn't safe. How is that acceptable to Disney management????>>>> Are you kidding? The overall weight of the Cast is just a reflection of society as a whole. We are a fat nation!!! We have fatties everywhere!!! Of course they are going to be working in our theme parks. The Cast Member that you are referring to had to pass a performance assessment and a knowledge assessment before he was allowed to work in his area. Had his size impaired his ability to complete all of his assigned tasks, he would not have been signed off and would have been sent back to Casting in order to be considered for another role. We can't stop giving jobs to the fatties. Besides being illegal, we just wouldn't be able to staff DLR.
Originally Posted By Westsider It's not illegal. Casting just isn't doing their job very well, and with a 10% unemployment rate, there's no excuse. The whole "illegal" thing is a cop out with no basis in fact, and you know it. Go to Nordstrom at Brea Mall, and you don't see guys wearing a size 50 inch waist in the Mens Suit department or working in The Rail. Go to the Ruby's Drive-In in Anaheim and the carhops on roller skates are all thin and pretty. Go to the Abercrombie & Fitch at MainPlace, and there's no one working there that rates less than an 8. Go to any In N' Out in Orange County and the kids flipping burgers and taking orders are polite, sharp, and attractive. Those are all jobs that have similar roles at Disneyland. Those places hire employees to fit their corporate image, and it's perfectly legal. Disneyland Casting willingly chooses to no longer live up to similar standards, and TDA executives don't hold Casting to any standards really, with the lone exception of not hiring a guy with prison neck tattoos or a girl with a spear through her nose.
Originally Posted By LPFan22 ~~~We can't stop giving jobs to the fatties. Besides being illegal, we just wouldn't be able to staff DLR.~~~ Is it really necessary to refer to overweight people as "fatties"? I'd like to think the average Disney fan or employee is accepting of people of all shapes and sizes. I don't know if you ever worked for Disney (or still do), TherealTDASuit, but shame on you just the same.
Originally Posted By TherealTDASuit Westsider - Quite of few people have sued successfully for weight discrimination in the U.S. Do you really believe that DLR Legal would let Casting not hire a qualified candidate because they had a 55 inch waist? LPFan22 - I will immediately stop using the term fatties and will switch to LARDO'S!
Originally Posted By wonderingalice ^^I assume that you won't mind being referred to going forward as a tactless, nasty piece of perfect pond scum...?
Originally Posted By VanFrance2009 Wonderingalice, You are banned from Disneyland. Please do not try to enter again. I have banned you for life.
Originally Posted By dlkozy I have a better idea-how about we just ban you VanFrance2009 from LP? For life.
Originally Posted By Moondoggie No problem, tasha. And I certainly didn't mean to come back with a response that sounded smart-alecky either. I guess I'm just going off of what I was used to experiencing and seeing as a CM and was curious if others saw it the same way. Casting was different back then though, and they were able to take those things into consideration when placing people in their roles. No one seemed to really care all that much. Safety, as mentioned, will always be the most important quality standard at Disney though. Followed by courtesy, show and efficiency.
Originally Posted By SFH "Had his size impaired his ability to complete all of his assigned tasks, he would not have been signed off and would have been sent back to Casting in order to be considered for another role." But what about people who gain weight after getting a role? It's much harder to do something about that. And for the record, right now I'm the fattest I've ever been. I'm not "large" - I'm FAT. And why am I fat? Because I eat to much and don't move enough. It is that simple.
