Originally Posted By Dabob2 Oh, that is nice. Why were the Alice cutouts - which were the ones they previewed in Blue Sky, etc. - cut out (see what I did there again!?), yamabuki? It seems strange that they'd cut them and use paper cutouts for other scenes? And what other scenes are they?
Originally Posted By yamabuki The paper sculptures will also be used for Chernabog and The Little Mermaid. Not sure why the Alice figures were removed.. Btw, the artist is Megan Brain. It's pretty cool to see the figures up close and admire the detail - they're really intricate and they feature many layers/textures/etc. Pretty impressive!
Originally Posted By DlandDug Megan is still featured prominently in the video that loops in the Blue Sky Cellar. She talks exclusively about The Little Mermaid segment in the clip.
Originally Posted By TMICHAEL I know it was in a really poor quality vid of a test run, but the Chernabog that I was able to see in the fountains looked pretty one dimensional and not at all impressive. And to be honest, not too thrilled that they've used Night on Bald Mountain.... yet again. Really hope I am wrong on this as I think the rest looks pretty damn good.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt I feel the same way. Disney sure has gotten a lot of mileage out of that Fantasia sequence.
Originally Posted By Mickeymouseclub Not to mention that people watching the WDW parade are usually trying to figure out what the floats represent since they mustn't be familiar with Fantasia or it has been a long time since they actually watched it. The music is dramatic tho'. Tired of the re-use of floats in general but appreciate the importance of re-using everything.
Originally Posted By dizkid Really just a huge bummer that they have seem to have cut Alice. Espaccialy since that segment was feautered heavily in Blue Sky Cellar. Oh well, just to bad.
Originally Posted By dizkid ^^^ for some reason my ability to spell goes down 100 percent when i go online.
Originally Posted By gadzuux Coupla things ... I had thought that Chernabog was going to be an actual 3D "figure" - a full size prop that rises up off the show deck during the Fantasia portion of the program. Several months ago, pics showing a big black "coat-hanger-y" looking thing in the center of the show deck were ID'd as part of the Chernabog effect. Is that not correct? Also - I have heard reports that the WOC show was clocking in at 27 minutes. That might be too long, and reason enough to cut something out of the overall run time. Now we hear that there's a conflict with the fireworks, which launch at 9:25. So maybe they're trying to trim three minutes or so off of the showtime, and 'Alice' was the one that got the boot. I'm not entirely familiar with the 'Alice' film but I don't think there was much in the way of memorable songs and music from the movie, and it's not exactly beloved even by disney fans, so they decided if something's gotta go that this would be what gets cut.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt If Alice got cut there is no reason why the footage might be used at some later date.
Originally Posted By yamabuki >>>I know it was in a really poor quality vid of a test run, but the Chernabog that I was able to see in the fountains looked pretty one dimensional and not at all impressive. <<< it won't look good from that angle, that far away. it ruins the projection/fountain design. there are fountain nozzles that create the shape of his body, as well as his wings and head. >>>I had thought that Chernabog was going to be an actual 3D "figure" - a full size prop that rises up off the show deck during the Fantasia portion of the program. Several months ago, pics showing a big black "coat-hanger-y" looking thing in the center of the show deck were ID'd as part of the Chernabog effect. Is that not correct?<<< Chernabog will be done out of water, with the help of the 80-ft telescoping tower that you described. The tower has fountains, LED lights, and fire cannons - together they create the shape of Chernabog. -- Btw, Alice not only had paper animation, but they also created hand-drawn animation at the Walt Disney Studios. A lot of work went into that scene.. if the scene really was cut from the show, it's possible it may end up as an encore segment.
Originally Posted By gadzuux Interesting possibility. But now I'm wondering if the 'encores' might be more substantial in the later showings. If they're worried about running WOC during the 9:25 fireworks that means they want those 9:00 WOC people outta there in a hurry. It makes some practical sense too - if they move those guests out the gate beside the 'Soarin' building, they can be boarded onto the trams and out of the way for the next wave of departing guests after the DL fireworks show.
Originally Posted By dl1956 I believe there's a time deadline with the city of Anaheim for the fireworks to go off, something like 9:45 or 10:00 PM, and the fireworks do frequently get delayed, especially with the shows of the last few years, so every minute counts.
Originally Posted By gadzuux My understanding is that the first F!antasmic show ends at about 9:24, and they want all those people at the ROA to stand in place and NOT start migrating back to Main Street to leave - not while it's already choked with people watching the fireworks. They leave the area lighting low and dim and make several announcements that the guests are "invited" to remain at the river's edge until the fireworks show is complete. The concern is that delaying the fireworks show - even for five minutes - will cause the people by the river to get restless after F! is completed, and try to start leaving the park at a time when their only egress Main Street - is jammed with other guests that aren't going to budge away from their spot for the fireworks. At the completion of the fireworks a little before 10pm, there's a surge of guests all leaving the park at the same time and overwhelming the parking trams. The last thing they need is an additional six thousand more guests simultaneously being dumped out into the esplanade from the DCA side. So if they can get the people from the 9:00pm WOC show out of DCA by 9:45 hopefully the transportation system can absorb these crowds fast enough to then be able to accomodate the post-fireworks crush from DL. At least in theory ...
Originally Posted By gadzuux One more thing - from what I've read online, it appears that the WOC people will be required to leave the park as soon as the show is complete. Whereas in DL people can choose to remain in the park and do other things. It's still true that many people voluntarily want to leave after the fireworks but they don't have to. Does anyone know more about what the policy is going to be for DCA? Some reports say that the park attractions will be closed, others (Al) say that some attractions may be operating in HPB to amuse the guests waiting for the 2nd and maybe even 3rd showing. But even if that's true, it doesn't seem likely that these HPB attractions would be made available to people who have attended the early WOC showing. For them it's up and out.
Originally Posted By DlandDug >>I had thought that Chernabog was going to be an actual 3D "figure"... Several months ago, pics showing a big black "coat-hanger-y" looking thing in the center of the show deck were ID'd as part of the Chernabog effect. Is that not correct?<< Um... don't believe everything you read on the Internets...? >>So maybe they're trying to trim three minutes or so off of the showtime, and 'Alice' was the one that got the boot.<< I really don't know with whom this rumor originated. It is noteworthy that in EVERY full video that has yet come to light of this show, there has been no sign of the Alice sequence. >>I'm not entirely familiar with the 'Alice' film but I don't think there was much in the way of memorable songs and music from the movie...<< Wha...? You're jokin', right? Alice in Wonderland has MORE SONGS that any other Disney animated feature. Among them are: I'm Late, The Unbirthday Song, In a World of My Own, All in the Golden Afternoon, Very Good Advice, and (of course) Alice in Wonderland. Really!
Originally Posted By dl1956 <What causes them to be delayed?> Sometimes unannounced technical difficulties, sometimes the assembled guests hear the dreaded words, "due to unfavorable wind conditions...", and then the hope for improvement.
Originally Posted By mousermerf Couldn't they do the fireworks at 9pm and Fantasmic afterward and solve many of their problems..?
