Originally Posted By melekalikimaka <a href="http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/region_southeast_valley/tempe/a-new-report-by-a-national-organization-labels-a-tempe-church-a-hate-group" target="_blank">http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/...te-group</a>
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan And attempts to overturn it are now dead, at least for the foreseeable future. <a href="http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_gays_in_military" target="_blank">http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_...military</a>
Originally Posted By gadzuux And once again, republican senators who have publicly stated their support for repeal ... voted no. They'd rather play political partisanship than vote their own conscience. They know their right from wrong but they don't care. Political cowardice.
Originally Posted By markymouse And once again Democratic Senate leadership were offered a compromise path to success, but chose to retain their ability to do nothing while blaming the Republicans. Specifically, those handful of Republican Senators were ready to give the repeal a super majority, if debate were allowed and the bill was presented on its own. Instead, no debate was allowed and it was attached to a huge bill that would have, among other things, authorized overseas military base hospitals to perform elective abortions. I'm not saying I'm against women being able to get abortions at military bases. I'm just saying if Reid had tried to find a recipe for failure on this, he couldn't have done much better. A Democratic President AND Congress couldn't repeal Don't Ask Don't Tell in 2 years. But they'll be able to extend Bush tax cuts in, what, 2 days. I'm not really surprised, or even that disappointed. The parties have always relied on the other party to prevent having to follow through on their campaign pledges. (Where is that anti flag burning amendment? How's closing Guantanamo going?) And on this specific issue, though Obama was lovingly embraced by progressives, during the actual primary, he was only the progressive(ish) candidate on foreign policy. On domestic policy, he was more the candidate of the center, and Clinton was considered more of a typical liberal Democrat. I read that a poll showed that something like 90% of gay voters in California voted for Clinton. I wasn't one of them; I wanted Obama for broader reasons; and I think we're now paying the price.
Originally Posted By melekalikimaka But still...no matter how lame Obama is...is he worse than McCain/Palin being in the White House? Imagine what a nightmare it would be. You can bet a LOT would have been done in the past two years and none of it good. There would be no discussion of DADT at all. At least now the world knows that most of the military would be fine with openly gay soldiers serving along side them. It makes the politicians look like idiots to still uphold something when they know that no one believes their excuses.
Originally Posted By markymouse I can't imagine either of them in a position of real power. McCain seems more narrow minded and unpredictable all the time. And Sarah Palin ... I'm not the world's biggest Palin basher. It takes all kinds, etc. But Sarah Palin, Fox personality is one thing. Sarah Palin, Vice President of the United States ... We dodged a bullet on that one.
