Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>Just because an attraction doesn't use an original ride system or AA's certainly does not preclude it from becoming a masterpiece. I've seen a few "revolutionary" attraction elements that blew big time(Monsters Laugh/Crush Talk, beatle video and pouring marbles on Universal's Mummy) and I've seen ones that have been damn cool(vanishing Shiriki)as well. <<< Oh, of course. But Disney needs to compete. And compete in WDW. That isn't happening.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>Yup. Would love to get something similar for DHS with a different theme, but I'm not holding my breath.<<< If anything, we'd see RSR itself. Unfortunately.
Originally Posted By Lee hisownself >>If anything, we'd see RSR itself. Unfortunately.<< I really don't understand your use of the word "unfortunately." WDW would be lucky to see such an addition as that. (yes, anywhere but Epcot...)
Originally Posted By Bob Paris 1 "201 Test Track Berating Dalmatians! " As the kids say, FAIL!!!!!1!!!!
Originally Posted By Bolna <<And the fact that it's Cars does it no favors. At all.>> <<I agree with the "Cars" sentiment.>> I think that is really the problem some of you have: you did not like the film that's why you are so down on RSR. I think that this is a bit unfair. I have not seen most of the films that the Universal attractions are based on (and have no intention at all to change that), but I am still looking forward to experiencing attractions like Jurassic Park and the Mummy. Yes, it was Harry Potter who was the motivation to finally make sure that I get there this upcoming trip, I have loved those books for a long time. But I have no intention to just go there for Potter, I want to see all the other things as well and hope I will be able to appreciate them as great attractions despite not being a great fan of the particular theme. I have no problem at all if someone says I am not excited about RSR personally because I did not like the film, but to claim that is going to be a boring attraction in general because of personal taste does not make sense to me.
Originally Posted By CDF1 Disney Imagineers have managed to do a very good job recycling various elements in a lot of cases: they used their continuous loading dark ride pod system first used in the Adventures in Inner Space as the ride system for the Haunted Mansion and Spaceship Earth; they have used their system of brake zones and their tubular track system on all of their major coasters since they developed it for the Matterhorn; they took the singular Mr. Lincoln AA figure and applied it in large numbers in POTC and HM (as well as other places); they have used the Indiana Jones Adventure and Test Track systems in different attractions (the former in Dinosaur, the latter in JTTCOTE in DisneySea). So recycling of Test Track technology for RSR at DCA is no more than a standard practice for Disney - they certainly measure out the different technologies so that they are not repetitive (WDW gets Dinosaur, DisneySea and DL get Indiana Jones; WDW get Test Track, DisneySea gets JTTCOTE, DCA gets RSR) Don't really see how one can have anything other than a wait and see attitude about RSR - so many factors go into the final product that you just won't know until you see it. Look at Expedition Everest - you see this great mountain structure and expect some kind of mountain coaster and except for the backward portion (which is all in dark) and the final Yeti encounter, the ride is pretty much outdoors. Let's just wait and see how RSR turns out before passing judgement on it.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>I really don't understand your use of the word "unfortunately." WDW would be lucky to see such an addition as that. (yes, anywhere but Epcot...)<<< I REALLY don't like cars. LOL. >>>I think that this is a bit unfair. I have not seen most of the films that the Universal attractions are based on (and have no intention at all to change that), but I am still looking forward to experiencing attractions like Jurassic Park and the Mummy. Yes, it was Harry Potter who was the motivation to finally make sure that I get there this upcoming trip, I have loved those books for a long time. But I have no intention to just go there for Potter, I want to see all the other things as well and hope I will be able to appreciate them as great attractions despite not being a great fan of the particular theme.<<< I agree with this, and I can do this with most other movies I don't like... but... I just *don't* like Cars. It grates on me.
Originally Posted By DlandDug >>Let's just wait and see how RSR turns out before passing judgement on it.<< Sorry, this is just far too sensible...!
Originally Posted By FerretAfros >>they took the singular Mr. Lincoln AA figure and applied it in large numbers in POTC and HM (as well as other places);<< Not to completely derail the conversation here (even though we're not talking about the Yeti any more), but this has always confused me. There is all sorts of 'official' information claiming that Lincoln was first and everything else followed, as well as just general sentiment from the fanbase that this is true. However, didn't Carousel of Progress also open at the NY World's Fair? That featured a whole cast of AA's, including birds, dogs, and a ton of people, as well as a very impressive and unique theater setup. Yet, Lincoln always gets the credit for being the first. This is by no mean the first time I've heard this claim, but it just never made sense to me, no matter who says it. I guess Lincoln may have been a more impressive individual figure than Cousin Orville (they do make some effort at DL to make him the most advanced AA these days), but I've never understood the stories of how people were blown away by Lincoln, with no mention of COP anywhere to be seen. Strange indeed...
Originally Posted By DlandDug >>...Lincoln always gets the credit for being the first... but it just never made sense to me...<< Actually, the first "official" AAs were the singing birds of the Enchanted Tiki Room. The first human figure that was in development was Mr. Lincoln. He was to be the centerpiece of "One Nation Under God" at Disneyland, which had been proposed as early as 1956. When the World's Fair opportunities came up, Disney utilized the newly acquired AA technology for General Electric's Progressland. The already developed Mr. Lincoln was used as a sample of what they could do. When Robert Moses, director of the World's Fair, saw Lincoln, he immediately pressed to make it a part. That's how Lincoln ended up in the State of Illinois pavilion. Even though four Disney pavilions opened at the same time, Lincoln came first.
Originally Posted By barboy2 ///Look at Expedition Everest - you see this great mountain structure and expect some kind of mountain coaster/// That attraction is more or less all packaging and no substance: outstanding queue and facade but once you get onboard there is nothing important, let alone jaw dropping cool. This grossly over-hyped ride truly disappoints me. It should have had multiple lifts like Thunder Mountain and multiple show scenes like, well, Thunder Mountain. That huge 'Everest' structure could have hosted more interesting details than bird-on-stick and video projections and should have have housed more indoor track.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>Actually, the first "official" AAs were the singing birds of the Enchanted Tiki Room. The first human figure that was in development was Mr. Lincoln. He was to be the centerpiece of "One Nation Under God" at Disneyland, which had been proposed as early as 1956.<<< Depending on who you ask, the AAs/Figs in Mine Train Through Nature's Wonderland were the first. Disney knows that the Tiki Room is more popular, and still around, so they've revised their history a bit.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>Sorry, this is just far too sensible...!<<< Sorry, but a personal preference for characters or stories isn't exactly meant to be sensible. What can be the best ride in the world to you can be utter trash to me.
Originally Posted By DlandDug >>What can be the best ride in the world to you can be utter trash to me.<< What isn't sensible is drawing conclusions on attractions that are still under construction.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>What isn't sensible is drawing conclusions on attractions that are still under construction.<<< I know I really don't like Cars. Why would the ride be any different? If a person told me that they had read one of the Potter books, and because they didn't like it, knew they wouldn't like WWoHP, I'd probably stop telling them to go. LOL Granted, when I go Disneyland, I will most certainly give RSR a try. I think it's worth that, at least.
Originally Posted By DlandDug >>I know I really don't like Cars. Why would the ride be any different?<< It's not whether you (or anyone else) likes Cars. It's about making judgement calls on an attraction that hasn't opened to the public. If someone out there just didn't like the Potter films, and declined to experience Wizarding World of Harry Potter, that's their privilege. But if they went around declaring that Forbidden Journey was destined to be a pretty lame attraction, based on those dumb movies, then I believe there would be valid room for debate. (Especially if these declarations were made before the attraction was even built.) Aside from that, some attractions transcend their source material, and others don't nearly live up. Best way to find out is through experience, or based on reviews from trusted individuals.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<I think that this is a bit unfair. I have not seen most of the films that the Universal attractions are based on (and have no intention at all to change that), but I am still looking forward to experiencing attractions like Jurassic Park and the Mummy.>> Time out...You've never seen Jurassic Park!!!!!!!!!!!?
Originally Posted By Bolna <<I REALLY don't like cars. LOL.>> Ok, everyone's taste can be different... But that does not necessarily mean that it will be a bad attraction for everyone. But I guess you know that...
Originally Posted By Bolna <<Time out...You've never seen Jurassic Park!!!!!!!!!!!?>> Perhaps experiencing the ride may make we want to see the film? ;-)
