Originally Posted By cape cod joe I think you pressed the submit button a moment too soon. Don't be embarrassed as there ARE those prejudices you refer to. You're just singing to the choir my friend. I'm on your side as I've been a freedom fighter my whole life.
Originally Posted By idleHands Sorry for misunderstanding you, cc joe. But you weren't clear enough on what you mean by "NAMBLA types." Do you mean actual advocates of NAMBLA's entire doctrine? And I do mean, the whole thing. Not just bits and pieces of it. The distinction is important. And if you're not using the term "NAMBLA type" as a euphemism for gay men, then I apologize for that conclusion. But I still stand by my points in my previous post, regarding how the majority of the population seems to get their panties in a bunch over gay men and pedophilia, when the vast majority of pedophiles are straight men who prey on young girls. Wrong focus. Wrong argument.
Originally Posted By cape cod joe One quick e.g and last one. Just last night> Sat--I dropped off Rachel age 12, my daughter to Baptist youth night and there was only one other young person there who drove in ahead of us (age 17?--definitely straight as I can tell within ONE minute usually if someone is Gay>I won't argue this as it's true) so I called her back to the car window and asked her if she was all right with him alone? She laughed and said "Dad it's a Church event" I said I don't care. I KNOW it's much more dangerous to let my daughter or son for that matter be with a straight.
Originally Posted By cape cod joe Nambla types I meant child predators. PERIOD! Nothing more or less. They should be executed. Clear. People who murder gays should be executed. I say God will mete out the justice, but even my demure wife says "why wait"
Originally Posted By idleHands "Nambla types I meant child predators. PERIOD! Nothing more or less." Fine. I get that. But most "NAMBLA types" are not predators. Predation involves forcing someone to do something against their will, controlling them through fear, like threat of physical injury through violence. However, the majority of minor attracted adults use tactics such as bribery and flattery, not fear. Just as I hate hearing the word "pedophile" used for an adult who lusts after 16-year-old cheerleaders, I hate hearing the term "NAMBLA" being equated to "child predator." Pedophilia refers to sexual attraction for kids under the age of 12. But our society has blurred the distinction so much so, that pedophilia is also used to describe the natural attraction most men have for teenaged females, especially those 16 to 17 years old, who've been menstruating since they were 12. Doesn't mean that these men should go down that road; I'm not advocating that at all. But there's nothing "unnatural" about why they want to; the desire is definitely by design.
Originally Posted By idleHands To clarify any confusion on my part... most "NAMBLA types" actually give the kids they're attracted to a choice. It's NOT predation. If the kid's not interested in having sex, fine. No problem. Thanks anyway. We're done here. Child predation involves force. Forcing someone to do something against their will. Having no say in the matter. And that is wrong. Always wrong. Now do you see the distinction I'm making?
Originally Posted By idleHands Whenever I wander into WE, I end up eventually regretting it. Like now. But... the ACLU still rocks. God bless 'em! And now I'm inspired to actually put my money where my mouth is, and become a card-carrying member. For those of you who might wish to do likewise: <a href="http://action.aclu.org/site/PageServer?pagename=FJ_donationhome" target="_blank">http://action.aclu.org/site/Pa geServer?pagename=FJ_donationhome</a>
Originally Posted By cape cod joe Idle--You're getting deeper as there are so many things I disagree with I don't have the time to respond.
Originally Posted By imadisneygal "most "NAMBLA types" actually give the kids they're attracted to a choice. It's NOT predation. If the kid's not interested in having sex, fine. No problem. Thanks anyway. We're done here." This has got to be the most ridiculous thing I've heard in a long time. Adults have absolutely NO business introducing sexual overtones, undertones, or energy to any minor, EVER. Children do not have a choice regarding sex. Sex with a minor is a crime - period. It does not matter what manner the adult uses to coerce the children - be it fear, candy, promises, whatever. Bribery and flattery are forms of control and the adult is exercising control over the child. The child does not have a choice. Sure there are blurry lines when we talk about an 18 year-old with a 16 or 17 year-old significant other, but even then it's technically a crime. To suggest that a child who was coerced into sex with an adult through flattery is any less controlled or has more choice than one who is coerced through fear is plain ignorance of the psychological implications of molestation and abuse. A child who has been flattered or bribed into a sexual relationship with an adult many times has a much harder time recovering than does someone to was forced. It's easy to see the evil in someone who forces you, but it's much harder to see the evil in someone who promises to love and take care of you. Any way you slice it it's wrong. Adults have no business getting sexual with minors.
Originally Posted By barboy The ACLU has a twofold agenda: defending most of the Bill of Rights and advancing liberal social issues. If the ACLU concentrated on preserving and/or expanding our rights against the state("civil liberties") then I would send that organization money. But they concern themselves with advancing progressive, "New Age", contemporary "civil rights" as well.
Originally Posted By RokNRollaCosta just curious ccjoe. "..as I can tell within ONE minute usually if someone is Gay" I know you said you won't argue this, but honestly, how do you know? I am quite interested...
Originally Posted By Inspector 57 Does anyone else see this irony? Beaumandy regularly uses these boards to post anti-gay slurs. His statements are factually untrue, hurtful in a very real sense, and hostile, yet he is allowed to post them ad nauseum here without censor. And now he creates a thread to rail against an organization that basically exists to ensure that Americans enjoy their right to free speech. Amazing.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA <"..as I can tell within ONE minute usually if someone is Gay"> ccjoe has a very sensitive 'gay-dar' which they only sell in the Cape Cod area.
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Originally Posted By Shooba I like the fact that even when Roadtrip and others disagree with certain things the ACLU has done, they still have an understanding of why the ACLU does what it does. Some people rant and rave about the ACLU but they're posts clearly illustrate that they don't have a clue why they're important or why they have winning track record with the cases they take on.
Originally Posted By StillThePassHolder Yep. Not even the ACLU thinks they're going to win every case they file, or succeed in every cause they support, but they're all about seeing where the boundaries are on a particular issue. This sometimes rankles people, but the sane ones know what's going on. The others, not so much.
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Originally Posted By Beaumandy <<Some people rant and rave about the ACLU but they're posts clearly illustrate that they don't have a clue why they're important or why they have winning track record with the cases they take on.>> They win because they attack organizations that don't have the rescources to defend themselves. That is changing however. If you think the ACLU is here to protect peoples civil rights then your a fool. Ask yourself this. If a communist or socialist group wanted to have their way here in America how would they go about changing this country to a model of socialism or communism? The amswer is to do exactly what the ACLU has always done and is doing now. Communists have no patience for religion, capitialism, or the strong family unit. What do you know... the ACLU takes cases that will harm all these great American traditions. Heck, their founder WAS a communist and ecen admitted that communism was the goal of the ACLU. But you guys go on thinking the ACLU is your friend. Well, if your buddies are members of Nambla or if your a wanna be socialist / communist then the ACLU might be your friend.
