Originally Posted By ADMIN <font color="#FF0000">Message removed by an administrator. <a href="MsgBoard-Rules.asp" target="_blank">Click here</a> for the LaughingPlace.com Community Standards.</font>
Originally Posted By PlainoLJoe <<that Beau uses the freedoms protected by the ACLU>> When in actually none of the freedoms protected by the ACLU or even the US Constitution really apply to this privately held msg board.
Originally Posted By idleHands That's it. I'm done. I've been looking for one very solid reason to finally roll up my sleeves and get to work on my Diznoid obsession. Looks like I found it. The display of narrow-minded bigoted attitudes here is unbelievable. I'd probably be safe in assuming that no one but yours truly has ever even ATTEMPTED to hold a rational discussion with a member of NAMBLA, let alone spend hours in rational (yet often heated) discourse in what NAMBLA is actually all about. But go ahead and grab hold of the latest NeoCon right wingnut talking points about how the main goal of gay men is to rape and molest "little boys" without getting caught. And NAMBLA is supposedly some kind of "boot camp" to make this happen. Carefully pay attention because I'm only going to say this once before I'm gone. A few weeks ago while visiting my mother in Arizona, I found out for the first time that my father (deceased for over 8 years) was actually gay. My mom knew it when she married him; at least they were truthful with each other. She also told me that my father and his older brother had been repeatedly assaulted sexually as young boys by their own father, for years. My grandmother knew about it, but times being what they were, she was too afraid to do anything about it. (Grandpa was rich landowner, had connections to local law enforcement, etc, etc.) The point is... my own father was a victim of sexual abuse by his father, and yet I do harbor any hatred for my grandfather. I feel sorry for him, like I do for my father and uncle. If Grandpa were alive today, I would not wish to see him executed nor tortured for what he did. My grandfather obviously had problems. Serious, deep emotional problems, to have sexually assaulted his own sons that way! But I thank heaven that I have the decency and the capacity to forgive that man, and not allow myself to get sucked into an endless pit of rage and anger for something I cannot do anything about now. I knew my Grandpa. I loved him dearly. He was so good to me and my cousins. I knew this man well. And in spite of all that... he was a child molester. A failed, flawed, terribly damaged human being. Who the hell am I to judge him? Especially when this man was GOOD to me and my cousins? He wasn't a totally bad person. He wasn't the devil incarnate. He was not Hitler. He was my Grandpa. And I loved him very, very much. After reading some of the baseless arguments and hate-filled speech in this thread, I'm sickened by the lack of compassion -- and the lack of understanding -- as to the varying degrees of sexual attraction that reside in all of us, and what is and is not responsible behavior. Too few distinctions and shades of grey are simply not noticed by some folks here. And human sexuality is a very complicated and complex issue. Far too complex to explain easily. But several people here cannot or choose not to acknowledge this simple fact. Therefore, I'm done. I've finally had enough. And my only regret now, is not giving the ACLU a larger donation, when I joined as a member yesterday.
Originally Posted By PlainoLJoe Here is my thing about NAMBLA. What they seem to be portraying is just icky to me. Not the homosexual part, but the sex with minors thing. However, being that thought is still a freedom I dont have a problem with what they are talking about, specific word is talking, as it is within their rights. However state and federal law states specifically what an adult is and at what age consent can be given. As long as laws are not broken than all power to them. Now, would I be associated with them? Not one bit. But I wont go on some tirade to shut them down. Unless, they break the law and that can be proven. Kind of goes back to that whole saying: I may not like what you are saying but I will fight for your right to say it.
