Originally Posted By oc_dean Anyway, whether my statements are over simplified or not, I make the basic point. And like applying for a job, insurance, a home, a car, driver's license, social security number ......... A little hard to get carried away in semantics, when the initial, crucial phase is ignored.
Originally Posted By Dave >>>Anyway, in my neck of the woods there was no real impact caused by the demonstrators<<<< Approx 5000 of them came by my company. The knucklehead on the blaring microphone commented on how we were open for business. A couple of places I frequent for breakfast was closed today, so I guess they wont be getting anymore of my money. The one time the Government has a chance to toss the rope around them and load up the bus and they blow it.
Originally Posted By PlainoLJoe The funniest thing I saw was a Gigante market closed. Lets see, a mexican market, employing only mexicans was closed because the mexicans didnt go to work and cost the market, owned by mexicans, money. Way to go guys. Theres a way to think on your feet!!!
Originally Posted By Darkbeer <a href="http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NTBlOTVlNDFkNTYwOTg4YWYxMThkZmE2MWZhMmVjMWM=" target="_blank">http://article.nationalreview. com/?q=NTBlOTVlNDFkNTYwOTg4YWYxMThkZmE2MWZhMmVjMWM=</a> >>What would a day without illegal aliens really be like? Let’s try to imagine it. On May 1, millions of illegal aliens working in meat-processing plants, construction, restaurants, hotels, and other “jobs Americans won’t do†are supposed to stay home from work to show the importance of their labor to our nation’s economy. Doubtless, there will be some inconvenience if that happens, but there is another side to the story that is not being reported. We are talking about illegal aliens, not mere “immigrants.†If legal immigrants stopped working for a day, we would miss the services of physicians, nurses, computer programmers, writers, actors, musicians, entrepreneurs of all stripes, and some airline pilots…as well as the CEO of Google. That would be more than an inconvenience, but it won’t happen because legal immigrants are not out marching angrily for rights that are already protected by our courts. But if illegal aliens all took the day off and were truly invisible for one day, there would be some plusses along with the mild inconveniences......<<
Originally Posted By Darkbeer More violence, this time in San Diego County... <a href="http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2006/05/02/news/top_stories/8_24_015_1_06.txt" target="_blank">http://www.nctimes.com/article s/2006/05/02/news/top_stories/8_24_015_1_06.txt</a> >>In Vista, an estimated 1,000 people crammed the streets late into the night, forcing law enforcement officers to shut down Santa Fe Avenue. Sheriff's deputies requested backup from other law enforcement agencies around 8 p.m., when deputies reported people throwing bottles and other objects. Some protesters were seen jumping on cars and running through neighborhoods. Officers from as far as Imperial Beach and Alpine responded to the call for backup, some screaming down Highway 78 toward Vista. By 11:30 p.m., a slow-moving, 35-car parade of officers ---- in addition to dozens on foot in riot gear --- was pushing through protesters on Santa Fe Avenue and telling people to go home or face arrest. As of just before midnight, no injuries had occurred and there had been no arrests, but standoffs brewed between officers in gas masks and protesters who refused to go home.<<
Originally Posted By StillThePassHolder "The funniest thing I saw was a Gigante market closed. Lets see, a mexican market, employing only mexicans was closed because the mexicans didnt go to work and cost the market, owned by mexicans, money. Way to go guys. Theres a way to think on your feet!!!" This type of thinking wasn't unique to yesterday. Every time there's a riot somewhere, whose part of town do rioters destroy? Their own, of course, further pushing backwards any type of progress that might have been occurring.
Originally Posted By gurgitoy2 It's funny, they had a thing on the news about this in NYC, and then they got reactions from people on the street. The legal immigrants were upset. They felt that if they could go through the legal hoops to become citizens, then so could these people. I also don't think this had a really big impact in NYC...I sure saw no evidence of anything lacking.
Originally Posted By StillThePassHolder "Of course, the MAJORITY of people doing this are born/bred U.S. citizens, so-- what about THEM?" Not sure what you're getting at, but I think you're missing my overall point. In my work, which involves dealing with many welfare recipients, I see far too many illegal aliens who don't think twice about receiving and feel entitled to these benefits. If we were able to excise them from this equation in California, we would have no budget crisis. Moreover, the amount of people who have figuratively taken a short cut in the immigration process have much to do with clogging up the works for those that attempt the process legally. At least in California, we are not set up and cannot possibly absorb a general amnesty (even though these people are already here) without significantly raising taxes. And what with gas prices still soaring (another joke), this coming year is going to be a tough one.
Originally Posted By cape cod joe People always have the BIE (Built In Excuse) for their aberrant behavior propensities
Originally Posted By cape cod joe No offense all you Californians, but how can you stomach living there? It's so beautiful but the myriad problems seem to counteract the positives of living there? My sister, who lives in La Jolla, and I, have this discussion all the time.
Originally Posted By BlueDevilSF >>No offense all you Californians, but how can you stomach living there? It's so beautiful but the myriad problems seem to counteract the positives of living there?<< This is precisely why I left California after living there for eight years. I love the state itself and consider northern CA to be one of my favorite places in the country. It just got to where the price to live there was too much to pay, not just financially but emotionally as well.
Originally Posted By cape cod joe BD--Mass here is tough too but California is overwhelmingly ridiculously only because of the massive number of people including millions of illegals??? My sister has been a basket case living there for years but her in-laws and acting opportunities are there so she stays. It's so frustrating because, like Brazil, it's so beautiful but the politics!!!!!!
Originally Posted By BlueDevilSF I wouldn't lay the blame at the illegal immigrants. There are so many factors that led to my disenchantment with living in CA, I wouldn't know where to begin. More power to those who are willing to pay the price to live there.
Originally Posted By DVC_dad Two things in the news, high gas prices, (directly affect ME) and illegal imigration protests, (do not directly affect ME). Hummm...which should I be more concerned with?
Originally Posted By cape cod joe DVC--neither of the above. You're biggest concern should be Do I go for the par five in two with the 3 wood, or lay up? Much MORE important.
