Originally Posted By vbdad55 <a href="http://people-press.org/commentary/display.php3?AnalysisID=103" target="_blank">http://people-press.org/commen tary/display.php3?AnalysisID=103</a> link to exit poll data
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Originally Posted By wahooskipper Last night I was at a college graduation party. The graduate in question was Mexican. I had the opportunity to speak to many of his Mexican family and friends and each of them said they supported folks following the due process to come into the country LEGALLY...as they had.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom <<The Catholic Church has been a part of the United States since the beginning.>> This isn't true at all. The LEGAL religion of most of the original 13 colonys was Prostant. The ONLY exceptions were Penn, I'm not sure what their status was. And Rhode Island that was the ONLY colony to have FREEDOM of religion. RI was the second place in the world to have freedom of religion ( after Denmark ). This is why the olderst Jewish synagog (sp) is in Newport, RI and the very first Baptist church is in Providence, RI.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom <<...just try to drive through any Mexican neighborhood without seeing a painting of Our Lady of Guadalupe (Patroness of the Americas).>> Talk about Idol worship. Is it possible for there to be one Mexican home with the obligatory "our Lady of the bathtub" on the lawn?
Originally Posted By Dabob2 < I also don't think this had a really big impact in NYC...> FWIW, there was almost no impact I could see, apart from a few street closures (and if you're foolish enough to drive in lower Manhattan, you get what you deserve to begin with!)
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <This whole thing about "a pathway to citizenship" is crazy. I guess the Democratic Party leaders are so desperate that they will do anything to regain the White House.> Actually, the "pathway to citizenship" is primarily the rhetoric of George W. Bush, and his senate allies aiming for what some call "amnesty under another name," though they disagree with that assessment. Bush talks about a "pathway to citizenship" all the time. The cheap labor-loving wing of the Republican party strongly favors this. They also don't want to lose Hispanic votes (they still get a minority of Hispanic votes, but a much larger share than they used to). Democrats, for the most part, have been happy to stay largely on the sidelines on this, and watch the Republicans fight it out amongst the "enforcement" crowd concentrated in the House, and the "pathway to citizenship" crowd concentrated in the Senate. It may be wimpy (and I would argue that it is) but it's probably smart politics.
Originally Posted By JazzCat It was very interesting being in Escondido when I found out about the riots in Vista. They're only about 10 miles from one another. For all those who have never driven the I-5 between L.A. and San Diego, there is a yellow, rectangular sign that shows a man, woman and child running. It is approximately 100 yards before/after a checkpoint. (It's not a border check. I'm not sure what they're checking.) My sister had never seen it before and said it was the oddest thing she had ever seen. In Yakima, where I live, whites are the minority. Many farm workers are illegal aliens who bring their children here and force them to be illegal as well. The children have no choice until they turn 18. Even if they've been here for 15 years, to become legal they would have to return to Mexico and file the appropriate paperwork. If they stay in the U.S., not only do their parents commit a wrong but they are committing a wrong as well. The last time I checked, two wrongs do not make a right. My maternal grandparents came from Germany. They were forced to learn English. They were not babied and did not expect Americans to conform to their way of life. Here in Yakima, many Mexican customers will walk up to me and ask if I speak Spanish. Why should I? Do they speak Russian? Personally, I am sick and tired of my community catering to people who are here illegally. Yes. I believe we should absolutely make the laws stricter. Many people say "but whites won't do the jobs that immigrants do". Not true. Twenty-five years ago my mother and sister worked sorting apples in a fruit warehouse. They worked with many other white women. Now if you go into a fruit warehouse there aren't *ANY* white people except for the higher-ups who hire the illegals so they don't have to pay them minimum wage. (Which in Washington State is now $7.63; one of the highest in the country.) It's obvious that the illegals are not the only ones to blame; our society makes it far too easy for them as well.
Originally Posted By Darkbeer Press Release Source: FAIR Americans Overwhelmingly Support Immigration Enforcement, NOT Illegal Alien Amnesty and Guest Workers, Finds New Zogby Poll Thursday May 4, 10:24 am ET WASHINGTON, May 4 /PRNewswire/ -- As the Senate renews consideration of a massive illegal alien amnesty bill, a new poll by the Zogby Polling Organization finds that the American public prefers the enforcement-only approach of the bill approved by the House of Representatives last December. Sixty-nine percent of likely voters support a comprehensive strategy of border enforcement, sanctions against employers who hire illegal aliens, and greater involvement of local law enforcement, while only 27 percent said they oppose such a strategy. Overwhelmingly, respondents favored the House-approved enforcement bill over the proposed Senate amnesty legislation by a lopsided 64 percent to 30 percent margin. The Zogby poll is significant because it offered respondents a choice of the full range of options available to deal with illegal immigration. Several recent polls have posed questions that asked respondents to choose between mass deportation and mass amnesty. President Bush and other prominent backers of amnesty have argued that "we cannot deport 12 million people," even though no serious proponent of immigration enforcement has ever suggested mass deportations. "When asked to choose among the full range of options, the American public clearly supports a workable, long-term strategy to enforce our immigration laws. They do not support a massive amnesty program," noted Dan Stein, president of FAIR. "Americans are realistic enough to understand that a problem of the magnitude of our illegal immigration crisis is not going to be solved overnight. When they are asked about the long-term enforcement strategy approved in the House bill, they are overwhelmingly in favor of it." The pro-illegal alien lobby and many in the media have focused on a few narrow provisions of the House bill, while ignoring the overall strategy of creating conditions that will convince many, if not most, of the illegal aliens to leave over time. If implemented, the House legislation would reverse the flow of illegal immigrants and, over time, reduce the illegal alien population through attrition. Americans also expressed deep skepticism about a proposed increase in the number of guest workers admitted to this country. Nearly three-quarters (74 percent) believe that America has an ample supply of labor and that if access to illegal aliens and guest workers were curtailed, American workers and legal immigrants would fill jobs at higher wages. Only 2 percent of respondents said they favored increases in permanent immigration. "The so-called controversy about illegal immigration appears to be more of a creation of the media and a few special interests rather than a reality," Stein observed. "Americans are united on this issue. They want our immigration laws enforced." When asked about the enforcement provisions that are actually in the House bill, Americans support them by more than a two-to-one margin over amnesty and guest workers. "Given that the overwhelming majority of Americans agree on this critical issue, we believe it is time for the Senate and the White House to get behind a viable enforcement strategy that will get our borders under control and reverse the flow of illegal migration."
Originally Posted By Darkbeer <a href="http://www.city-journal.org/html/14_1_the_illegal_alien.html" target="_blank">http://www.city-journal.org/ht ml/14_1_the_illegal_alien.html</a> >>ome of the most violent criminals at large today are illegal aliens. Yet in cities where the crime these aliens commit is highest, the police cannot use the most obvious tool to apprehend them: their immigration status. In Los Angeles, for example, dozens of members of a ruthless Salvadoran prison gang have sneaked back into town after having been deported for such crimes as murder, assault with a deadly weapon, and drug trafficking. Police officers know who they are and know that their mere presence in the country is a felony. Yet should a cop arrest an illegal gangbanger for felonious reentry, it is he who will be treated as a criminal, for violating the LAPD’s rule against enforcing immigration law. The LAPD’s ban on immigration enforcement mirrors bans in immigrant-saturated cities around the country, from New York and Chicago to San Diego, Austin, and Houston. These “sanctuary policies†generally prohibit city employees, including the cops, from reporting immigration violations to federal authorities. Such laws testify to the sheer political power of immigrant lobbies, a power so irresistible that police officials shrink from even mentioning the illegal-alien crime wave. “We can’t even talk about it,†says a frustrated LAPD captain. “People are afraid of a backlash from Hispanics.†Another LAPD commander in a predominantly Hispanic, gang-infested district sighs: “I would get a firestorm of criticism if I talked about [enforcing the immigration law against illegals].†Neither captain would speak for attribution. But however pernicious in themselves, sanctuary rules are a symptom of a much broader disease: the nation’s near-total loss of control over immigration policy. Fifty years ago, immigration policy might have driven immigration numbers, but today the numbers drive policy. The nonstop increase of immigration is reshaping the language and the law to dissolve any distinction between legal and illegal aliens and, ultimately, the very idea of national borders. It is a measure of how topsy-turvy the immigration environment has become that to ask police officials about the illegal-alien crime problem feels like a gross faux pas, not done in polite company. And a police official asked to violate this powerful taboo will give a strangled response—or, as in the case of a New York deputy commissioner, break off communication altogether. Meanwhile, millions of illegal aliens work, shop, travel, and commit crimes in plain view, utterly secure in their de facto immunity from the immigration law. I asked the Miami Police Department’s spokesman, Detective Delrish Moss, about his employer’s policy on lawbreaking illegals. In September, the force arrested a Honduran visa violator for seven vicious rapes. The previous year, Miami cops had had the suspect in custody for lewd and lascivious molestation, without checking his immigration status. Had they done so, they would have discovered his visa overstay, a deportable offense, and so could have forestalled the rapes. “We have shied away from unnecessary involvement dealing with immigration issues,†explains Moss, choosing his words carefully, “because of our large immigrant population.†Police commanders may not want to discuss, much less respond to, the illegal-alien crisis, but its magnitude for law enforcement is startling. Some examples: • In Los Angeles, 95 percent of all outstanding warrants for homicide (which total 1,200 to 1,500) target illegal aliens. Up to two-thirds of all fugitive felony warrants (17,000) are for illegal aliens. • A confidential California Department of Justice study reported in 1995 that 60 percent of the 20,000-strong 18th Street Gang in southern California is illegal; police officers say the proportion is actually much greater. The bloody gang collaborates with the Mexican Mafia, the dominant force in California prisons, on complex drug-distribution schemes, extortion, and drive-by assassinations, and commits an assault or robbery every day in L.A. County. The gang has grown dramatically over the last two decades by recruiting recently arrived youngsters, most of them illegal, from Central America and Mexico. • The leadership of the Columbia Lil’ Cycos gang, which uses murder and racketeering to control the drug market around L.A.’s MacArthur Park, was about 60 percent illegal in 2002, says former assistant U.S. attorney Luis Li. Francisco Martinez, a Mexican Mafia member and an illegal alien, controlled the gang from prison, while serving time for felonious reentry following deportation. Good luck finding any reference to such facts in official crime analysis. The LAPD and the L.A. city attorney recently requested an injunction against drug trafficking in Hollywood, targeting the 18th Street Gang and the “non–gang members†who sell drugs in Hollywood for the gang. Those non–gang members are virtually all illegal Mexicans, smuggled into the country by a ring organized by 18th Street bigs. The Mexicans pay off their transportation debts to the gang by selling drugs; many soon realize how lucrative that line of work is and stay in the business. Cops and prosecutors universally know the immigration status of these non-gang “Hollywood dealers,†as the city attorney calls them, but the gang injunction is assiduously silent on the matter. And if a Hollywood officer were to arrest an illegal dealer (known on the street as a “border brotherâ€) for his immigration status, or even notify the Immigration and Naturalization Service (since early 2003, absorbed into the new Department of Homeland Security), he would face severe discipline for violating Special Order 40, the city’s sanctuary policy.<< MUCH MORE at the link above....
Originally Posted By Darkbeer <a href="http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=43275" target="_blank">http://www.worldnetdaily.com/n ews/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=43275</a> >>In fact, the increasing number of illegal aliens coming into the United States is forcing the closure of hospitals, spreading previously vanquished diseases and threatening to destroy America's prized health-care system, says a report in the spring issue of the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons. "The influx of illegal aliens has serious hidden medical consequences," writes Madeleine Pelner Cosman, author of the report. "We judge reality primarily by what we see. But what we do not see can be more dangerous, more expensive, and more deadly than what is seen." According to her study, 84 California hospitals are closing their doors as a direct result of the rising number of illegal aliens and their non-reimbursed tax on the system. "Anchor babies," the author writes, "born to illegal aliens instantly qualify as citizens for welfare benefits and have caused enormous rises in Medicaid costs and stipends under Supplemental Security Income and Disability Income." In addition, the report says, "many illegal aliens harbor fatal diseases that American medicine fought and vanquished long ago, such as drug-resistant tuberculosis, malaria, leprosy, plague, polio, dengue, and Chagas disease." <<
Originally Posted By fkurucz >>This isn't true at all. The LEGAL religion of most of the original 13 colonys was Prostant.<< I seem to recall that Maryland was a Catholic colony.
Originally Posted By cmpaley >>Press Release Source: FAIR << Gee what a reliable source. Let's look to the Democrats for an explanation of conservatism or the Lutherans for an explanation on Judaism or Catholicism. Can you say extreme bias? EVERYTHING put out by "FAIR" is going to be anti-illegal immigrant. Right now, their website says nothing about it, but they are ardenly anti-immigrant of ALL kinds, including legal immigration. They used to be in favor of a 5 year moratorium on ALL immigration from ANYWHERE in the world. Not a group that is dedicated to giving facts, but on nativist advocacy and borderline supremicism.
Originally Posted By pecos bill Anyone who denies the negative impact of illegal aliens is denying reality. What would happen if there were a depression, and jobs became scarce and coveted? It simply cant continue like this.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom It would be nice if the borders were actually secure so that anyone could not just walk accross the border at will. Oh and did anyone mention the fact that its illegal to come into this country with out a visa?
Originally Posted By Beaumandy <<Anyone who denies the negative impact of illegal aliens is denying reality.>> Your right, they are destroying our schools and bankrupting our emergency rooms.
Originally Posted By PlainoLJoe <<What would happen if there were a depression, and jobs became scarce and coveted?>> Thats why I litter. It creats jobs.
