Originally Posted By 9oldmen >>There is a reason a park isn't open every day, not enough people show up those days to make it worthwhile to open the park. How many people actually go on a Wednesday in the middle of Jan. to DCA or DL, not many when you compare it to their normal average.<< Has ANY Disney park EVER been closed on a WEDNESDAY in its history? Monday/Tuesday, yes, but Wednesday?
Originally Posted By ChurroMonster Let's take a look at WDW. None of those parks has ever come close to the same attendance figures of the Magic Kingdom. That's just the way Disney multi-park resorts work. Granted, there isn't the disparity in Florida as there is in Anaheim. But then again they don't have the fifty-year-old ultimate theme park called Disneyland now do they? DCA has problems, no doubt about it. But total resort attendance has gone way up since it opened. (20 million this year? Not bad) It's a good start.
Originally Posted By disneywatcher >> Interesting that for a fraction of the cost, DCA has almost accomplished the same thing for DL that TDS accomplished for TDR << Sounds like a mind meld with Eisner and Braverman.
Originally Posted By Nemo88 its not a mind meld of Eisner and Braverman,its the TRUTH! heck look at all the money Univeral poured into IOA and that park still hasnt made a profit! in fact it hasnt had a huge new offering since it opened. so while opening "big" is great,it defiantly has its downsides.
Originally Posted By basas <<heck look at all the money Univeral poured into IOA and that park still hasnt made a profit! in fact it hasnt had a huge new offering since it opened.>> IOA isn't sitting beside a park getting over twice as many guests as it. In fact, it's guest count and percentage increases/decreases are about the same as its neighbor, USF.
Originally Posted By 9oldmen >>its not a mind meld of Eisner and Braverman,its the TRUTH! heck look at all the money Univeral poured into IOA and that park still hasnt made a profit! in fact it hasnt had a huge new offering since it opened. so while opening "big" is great,it defiantly has its downsides.<< I still have this problem with painting this rosy picture of DCA as a "success" and IOA as a failure when, up until this last year, IOA (and USF) have been getting higher attendance than DCA. Isn't that also "the truth"? And I'm sorry, I can't prove this with stats but you just KNOW that more people visiting IOA are actually paying to get in. If only a park of that quality had opened in the old Disneyland parking lot. But then, after visiting the soft opening of "Monsters", I am already inclined to start recommending DCA to more people.
Originally Posted By ChurroMonster DCA is by no means a resounding success but neither is it a total failure. It is failing to make attendance estimates, even reduced ones. But that does not change the fact that the ultimate goal of the expansion was to keep people on property for a longer period of time. And that is obviously happening. It just needs to do a better job of attracting guests on its own as well as reducing the overwhelming crowds in Disneyland. I think it will get there, given enough smart investment and time.
Originally Posted By 9oldmen >>DCA is by no means a resounding success but neither is it a total failure.<< It basically just swapped places with IOA on that "Top 10" list (they traded 7th and 8th places), and yet according to some people, one is an abject failure, while the other is a resounding success. They're so close on the list. Also, maybe IOA has had no noticable additons because...maybe they got it right the first time? While DCA had to scramble to add "Flic's" and "Monsters" in response to compaints about not enough for kids and a makeover for probably the worst Disney dark ride ever created, IOA had no such worries, with "Toon Lagoon", "Seuss Landing" and that "Cat in the Hat" dark ride there since day one. My theory, just mine, is that Universal recognized IOA as the stronger park ARTISTICALLY, even if it is attended less than USF,and so the focus has been on enhancing USF proper with "Shrek", "Jimmy Neutron", "MIB" and "Mummy" all added since IOA opened next door. Just me speculating.
Originally Posted By trekkeruss <<My theory, just mine, is that Universal recognized IOA as the stronger park ARTISTICALLY, even if it is attended less than USF,and so the focus has been on enhancing USF proper with "Shrek", "Jimmy Neutron", "MIB" and "Mummy" all added since IOA opened next door.>> My theory is that they're stuggling to figure out how to make that artistic triumph pay for itself.
Originally Posted By ChurroMonster And my theory is that people expect Disney rides to transport them to another place and time while they expect Universal rides to make them feel like they are experiencing how movies are made. IOA, though different, is still a Studio theme park. It faces just as many identity crises as DCA.
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt <I still have this problem with painting this rosy picture of DCA as a "success" and IOA as a failure when, up until this last year, IOA (and USF) have been getting higher attendance than DCA. Isn't that also "the truth"?> By now everyone should know that attendance is only one small measure of any park's success. IOA is a far larger (in just about every way) park than DCA, and therefore may cost more to operate than Disneyland's 2nd gate. Also, visitor spending patterns are a huge part of a theme park's operating revenue (or lack thereof). Determining financial success isn't just as simple as saying park A got more visitors than park B.
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt >My theory is that they're stuggling to figure out how to make that artistic triumph pay for itself.< I'll take trekkerus for $200, please.
Originally Posted By planodisney Someone on here probably knows more about this than i do, but isnt it true that there were less DCA discounts this year than last? Didnt the 2fer occur more times last year? If this is true, dont we not only have to give DCA credit for a gain in attendance, but also for holding on to last years gains which Darkbeer and others credited the discounts for? Actually, if there were less discounts, the numbers are actually more impressive than the 200,000, particularly if we are talking about the bottom line.
Originally Posted By woody "If this is true, dont we not only have to give DCA credit for a gain in attendance, but also for holding on to last years gains which Darkbeer and others credited the discounts for?" Considering that DCA has gain a lot in rides and attractions since the 2Fer, DCA's gain is based on money spent. IOA experienced a gain in attendance without any new attractions. It was able to attract attendance off of USF with the Mummy ride. The bottom line is spend money on DCA or give the park goers some discounts.
Originally Posted By Captain Jack Sparrow Matt said DCA is an important part of the Disneyland Resort and will get it's share of money and attention. Look what's happened and what is happening soon for DCA...yes you can all finally get excited. Also with the success of Narnia look for a new ride themed to that movie in the near future. A good fit for DCA but also a good fit for DL.
Originally Posted By Darkbeer A few days away from the return of the "Pay for Disneyland, get DCA for FREE!" ticket... Check the new VONS ad coming out Tuesday.....
Originally Posted By MisterToad USH offered me 12 months no blackout dates for $49 or 6 months for $29.
Originally Posted By kmovies And USH can offer such things as Buy a Day, Get a Year free ... because, chances are you won't return. McDonald's could offer Buy a Big Mac, get a year's worth free if they didn't expect you to really come back and get your free sandwiches. Of course, McDonald's couldn't do this as people would come back over and over and over.
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt Paramount's Great America is offering their 2006 season pass with no blackouts for $67.50 each if you buy two or more. A single day park admission is $49.99 and you can save 15 if you buy online. These discounts are not limited time promotions - they are part of the 2006 pricing structure. Magic Mountain is selling its 2006 season pass online for only $49.99, the price of a general admission ticket with no blackout dates. With such extreme discounting it should be no surprise that many of these parks are performing poorly even with increases in attendance. In fact Paramount Parks' parent Viacom recently announced that it is considering putting its parks up for sale.
