Originally Posted By jonvn " the provided THREADS " The threads that have hundreds of posts in them? Right. I've been online discussing this stuff for years. There has never been any real information about this stuff at all, period. I am not going to sift through those posts to find more of the same junk. You're the one who said you had this information, you can provide it. If you can't, you don't have it. Period.
Originally Posted By berol exclamation point% There is true, false, and unproven. It's unproven until proven to be either true or false. You're looking at things as black and white. It's ridiculous! hehe
Originally Posted By WorldDisney LOL, I love you guys . Once again, everyone is back. Darkbeer with the 378th post of an article basically stating DCA didn't live up to expectations (that's the gist, right ) and then EVERYBODY take the bait, says 'oh here we go AGAIN--will you STOP posting this crap again!!!!' And yet, 60+ posts in less than a day everyone is battling it out again, lmao. Guys, face it, you LOVE it!!! You do!! The 'DCA sucks' threads ALWAYS gets the highest thread counts, each and everytime no matter how many people 'complain' they are sick of talking about it and that's its all 'old news'. Its not just the haters writing back and forth to each other just like it isn't only the gushers, people like the thrill of the argument even if we said it 500 times already. Personnally, I LOVE it . Its fun!! I can admit that lol. If its not fun, then man, I'm not only wasting time here, but I been wasting it badly . I was bored for awhile, so I ignored this section for about 8 months. All the talk about FINALLY fixing the place, I'm back . But, yeah, I love debating it, even we done it a thousand times and hate to break it to you, if you are reading these words at this very moment, you do too ;D. Admit it, you like it.....or you wouldn't bother to click on...at all! I see lots of 'DCA is really fun' threads rarely make it past 20 posts. You put in 'DCA is really awful' and you can multiply that by 10 . C'mon, find some more articles Darkbeer that mentioned DCA somewhere in 1995 where Katzenberg said to Eisner, 'it sucks, it won't work, you won't even get half the people who go to DL every year to visit a park based on a place most of them already live in' and lost the VP job on the spot so people can be 'outraged' that you bought it up again and then debate it for 20 more posts....because deep down you all WANT Darkbeer to make these posts, you NEEEEED Darkbeer to make these posts. You just can't handle the truth!!! ;D Off topic: Do anyone know if the bulldozers will be arriving soon? I like to have a beer and wait for them to roll in and see them in all their glory for myself. I'm thinking to spend the night just to wait for them (if I ever gave you the notion that I have a life, I apologize ). Thanks in advance!
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>I see lots of 'DCA is really fun' threads rarely make it past 20 posts. You put in 'DCA is really awful' and you can multiply that by 10 .<< I'm thinking we need a "DCA is against gay marriage and is an athiest" thread. That one would set posting records!
Originally Posted By berol The suits in Burbank decided that they don't need to go to the expense of bulldozers. They're gonna tie a battery powered Tonka truck to the buildings to pull the structures down. "The public won't care, they'll watch anyway. They're fools! MUAHAHAAHA!!!" They'll sell souvenirs. making so many that they'll never run out. Lines to watch will run to Garden Grove…
Originally Posted By Britain LOL! Thank you World"NathanJessop"Disney! I wasn't going to contribute to this ridiculous thread, but your sharp and funny declaration of the truth warrants my thanks!
Originally Posted By jonvn "You're looking at things as black and white." I'm looking at it as true or false. Otherwise, outside of mathematics EVERYTHING is unproven.
Originally Posted By DlandDug >>Do anyone know if the bulldozers will be arriving soon?<< Actually, there WERE earthmovers, courtesy of Caterpillar. But they left long ago, joining the exodus of sponsors who, strangely, seem to have no desire to be associated with DCA...!
Originally Posted By berol I claim, "I ate a cookie today." If I really did, it's true whether or not I say any more. To you, you spend sleepless nights wondering if I did. You don't know if it's true or false since you know nothing about i, tho you do know something about DCA. So, is what you're saying that you're reasonably sure it's false from known facts until shown otherwise, like bigfoot, UFO's and 50-cent disneyland cokes?
Originally Posted By DlandDug From one of the threads cited above: >>In 1990, the Walt Disney Company excitedly announced The Disney Decade. 1990-2000 were to be a period of unparalleled growth. A very significant part of this was the revitalized Disneyland Resort. I have in front of me the publicly issued "Preliminary Master Plan" for that resort. By the end of the Disney Decade (c. 2000), we were to expect: -- A revitalized Disneyland, filled with beloved classics and new adventures and attractions; -- A second Disney theme park (Westcot in 1990, by 1993 this was California Adventure); -- Future expansion for a third gate; -- The Resort Hotel District, consisting of a newly renovated Disneyland Hotel and three new themed hotels; -- Disneyland Center, a retail, dining and entertainment center located around a six acre lake; -- an amphitheater for live concerts and other performances; -- an internal circulation system of walkways, moving sidewalks, elevated people movers and an expanded monorail; and -- a transportation and parking management plan that involved three massive parking structures, linked to the Resort via the transportation system. The 90s are over. We're more than halfway through the next decade. (The Dud Decade? The Decline Decade? The D'oh-we-really-goofed-it-up Decade?) And what has Disney manage to achieve at the Disneyland Resort? -- Disneyland was allowed to rot away for several years after all resources were used to prop up DCA. Only the realization that the 50th Birthday was upon them made a new management team finagle the budget and get the original Magic Kingdom back up to snuff. No great improvements, but at least the old girl was beautiful for her closeup; -- a second theme park that is widely acknowledged to be a dud. It is the butt of mean spirited jokes and hasn't discernibly driven attendance; -- future expansion for a third gate remains mired as more and more effort is expended to make the "challenging" second gate viable. Meanwhile, the City of Anaheim, tired of waiting for promised tax revenue, just last week rezoned a portion of the Resort District. This is just another legacy of the failure that is DCA; -- the Resort Hotel District is now more sensibly refered to as The Hotels of the Disneyland Resort. Stalwart Disneyland Hotel regularly gets new wallpaper and furniture, the Paradise Pier is a redecorated concrete slab (not built by Disney), and the ONE new hotel, the Grand Californian, recently announced that six years after opening, they will now build out to the full original footprint; -- Disneyland Center is now Downtown Disney. No lake, but a nice group of restaurants, clubs and shops. And room to build more, as the area still isn't fully developed; -- amphitheater? No call for THAT; -- an internal circulation system that includes exactly the same elements that have been present since 1962. No moving walkways, no people movers, no expansion of the monorail. Oh, there were double decker busses that ran briefly past the hotels and Downtown Disney; they were put away due to lack of ridership; and -- transportation and parking management is fine now, even though only one parking structure was actually built. But that's all that's needed on an average day at the Disneyland Resort, c. 2007.<< <a href="http://mb.laughingplace.com/MsgBoard-T-86253-P-15.asp" target="_blank">http://mb.laughingplace.com/Ms gBoard-T-86253-P-15.asp</a>
Originally Posted By DlandDug From one of the threads cited above: >>In 1990, the Walt Disney Company excitedly announced The Disney Decade. 1990-2000 were to be a period of unparalleled growth. A very significant part of this was the revitalized Disneyland Resort. I have in front of me the publicly issued "Preliminary Master Plan" for that resort. By the end of the Disney Decade (c. 2000), we were to expect: -- A revitalized Disneyland, filled with beloved classics and new adventures and attractions; -- A second Disney theme park (Westcot in 1990, by 1993 this was California Adventure); -- Future expansion for a third gate; -- The Resort Hotel District, consisting of a newly renovated Disneyland Hotel and three new themed hotels; -- Disneyland Center, a retail, dining and entertainment center located around a six acre lake; -- an amphitheater for live concerts and other performances; -- an internal circulation system of walkways, moving sidewalks, elevated people movers and an expanded monorail; and -- a transportation and parking management plan that involved three massive parking structures, linked to the Resort via the transportation system. The 90s are over. We're more than halfway through the next decade. (The Dud Decade? The Decline Decade? The D'oh-we-really-goofed-it-up Decade?) And what has Disney manage to achieve at the Disneyland Resort? -- Disneyland was allowed to rot away for several years after all resources were used to prop up DCA. Only the realization that the 50th Birthday was upon them made a new management team finagle the budget and get the original Magic Kingdom back up to snuff. No great improvements, but at least the old girl was beautiful for her closeup; -- a second theme park that is widely acknowledged to be a dud. It is the butt of mean spirited jokes and hasn't discernibly driven attendance; -- future expansion for a third gate remains mired as more and more effort is expended to make the "challenging" second gate viable. Meanwhile, the City of Anaheim, tired of waiting for promised tax revenue, just last week rezoned a portion of the Resort District. This is just another legacy of the failure that is DCA; -- the Resort Hotel District is now more sensibly refered to as The Hotels of the Disneyland Resort. Stalwart Disneyland Hotel regularly gets new wallpaper and furniture, the Paradise Pier is a redecorated concrete slab (not built by Disney), and the ONE new hotel, the Grand Californian, recently announced that six years after opening, they will now build out to the full original footprint; -- Disneyland Center is now Downtown Disney. No lake, but a nice group of restaurants, clubs and shops. And room to build more, as the area still isn't fully developed; -- amphitheater? No call for THAT; -- an internal circulation system that includes exactly the same elements that have been present since 1962. No moving walkways, no people movers, no expansion of the monorail. Oh, there were double decker busses that ran briefly past the hotels and Downtown Disney; they were put away due to lack of ridership; and -- transportation and parking management is fine now, even though only one parking structure was actually built. But that's all that's needed on an average day at the Disneyland Resort, c. 2007.<< <a href="http://mb.laughingplace.com/MsgBoard-T-86253-P-15.asp" target="_blank">http://mb.laughingplace.com/Ms gBoard-T-86253-P-15.asp</a>
Originally Posted By berol I'm not sure if it's good or bad, but this thread just got out of sync. (post 81 will pop up without a link to it at the bottom) I wonder if it's from 2 posts being processed in the same thread at the same time, or if it's random like the ole "0" bug.
Originally Posted By WorldDisney <<LOL! Thank you World"NathanJessop"Disney! I wasn't going to contribute to this ridiculous thread, but your sharp and funny declaration of the truth warrants my thanks!>> LOL, no problem Britian . I'm even doing it sober today . Again, it just seems so funny to me, over 70 posts of how people are 'tired of debating this' lol. C'mon, just admit, you all love it!!! I never been a hypocrite about this and said it many times, I can talk about this stuff FOREVER!!!! Hell, what ELSE are we going to talk about in the DCA threads . Anyway, its simple kids: If you are 'sick to death' of these posts and think DB can't get out of 2001, don't click. Hell, did you read the title of the thread??? I LOL out loud when I saw 'DCA', 'Archives' and '1981!!!!' all in the same by line. You KNOW what you're getting into lol. Its a thirst you are all claim you quenched, but everytime I come here, the well has fully been tapped once again ;D. Anyway, off to bed and expect to wake up to this thread being over 100+ posts filled with a bunch of people who claim they want to be discussing anything but the 'tired and regurgitated' DCA arguments. No, no, wait a minute I'm going to go out on a limb here and say 120+ posts by the time I wake up. Give myself a challenge! Night kids!! And Darkbeer, PLEASE find an an article circa 1999 with Eisner claiming DCA was suppose to attract only athiest and was going to have an anti-gay motiff all through the park (I can tell you though, he didn't fool THIS athiest ). I know YOU can find it Darkbeer (See Kar2oonman, all you gotta do is ask ). That thread might get so long, I may not have time to set up camp to witness the bulldozers coming in. Okay, hold off on that article until AFTER the bulldozers get here!!! Goodnight DCA debaters .
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>(Westcot in 1990, by 1993 this was California Adventure)<< Is that correct? I thought the California concept happened at the Aspen retreat later than that? 1995? Not that it matters a whole lot, but it might come up on a Final Jeopardy question some day and I want to have my trivia in order.
Originally Posted By WorldDisney >>Do anyone know if the bulldozers will be arriving soon?<< <<Actually, there WERE earthmovers, courtesy of Caterpillar. But they left long ago, joining the exodus of sponsors who, strangely, seem to have no desire to be associated with DCA...!>> LOL, that's right, they were ALREADY in place ready to go!!! Now, we FINALLY know why they were there, because for the life of me, I couldn't figure what the hell was the point before . Last post, night!!!!
Originally Posted By SFH Those machines left for the same reason Wolfgang Puck and the wine company left. Because they just couldn't handle the runaway success of the park!!! They're like women who ruin their relationships with decent men because they need to be with an abusive jerk. SFH
Originally Posted By jonvn "claim, "I ate a cookie today." If I really did, it's true whether or not I say any more." I can't know that is true. "To you, you spend sleepless nights wondering if I did." Not really. I simply don't believe you ate one, unless you provide sufficient reason for me to believe you have. "You don't know if it's true or false since you know nothing about it" If I don't know that it's true, it's not true. That makes it false. Even if you did eat a cookie, I have no reason to believe you did. "So, is what you're saying that you're reasonably sure it's false from known facts" False from known facts? I am saying there has been no presentation of known facts. There are simply presentation of speculation and opinion.
Originally Posted By TDR_Fan <<None of the Disney parks worldwide met attendance projections in 2001, so does that mean they all failed?>> Not true. Tokyo DisneySea opened in September 2001 and exceeded the first year/annual target of 10 million guests in only 10 months.
