Originally Posted By koobar <One of their board users posted this photo that I think speaks volumes about what an embarrassment the titanium sun has been. This angle shows its exceptionally flimsy and awkward nature: <a href="http://i25.photobucket.com/alb" target="_blank">http://i25.photobucket.com/alb</a> ums/c70/abe22222222/IMG_1084.jpg> hmmm, from that angle it reminds me of one of janet jackson's infamous concert attire.
Originally Posted By Darkbeer Back when Al Lutz talked about the upcoming improvements to DCA on November 8th at MiceAge, a thread over at MouseInfo was started about Al's column, first the webmaster over at MouseInfo said this on November 8th Quote: Originally Posted by Michael >>Heyyyyy, I am not comfortable with sharing what information I can share about stuff just yet. Let's see if Marcie will be around today and she if she is ok with sharing some or all of what she knows. The theater though at the front of the Park at DCA is pretty funny though...<< and Quote: Originally Posted by Michael >>I laughed because it isn't happening. Having a theater at the entrance to the park doesn't make a whole lot of sense...<< Then Marcie (the "insider") over at MouseInfo said on November 9th.... Quote: Originally Posted by Marcie >>Al didn't do to bad regarding the Pirate's makeover, however he doesn't have all the facts in regards to what will and won't be done in the attraction. The Florida makeover timeline is currently 6 months behind DLR's. As for DCA's Placemaking Project, Al really messes up some of his information. His information regarding Golden Dreams and the alleged next phase are incorrect. Currently the next phase will take place, if approved, next spring and it will only cover the area from the main entrance turnstiles to the Golden Gate Bridge with one BIG major changeout of a major icon. The Condor Flats information isn't anything new as the plan for that area has been thrown around for more than a year now about extending the Grizzly area theme into that section of the park. That probably won't happen until after summer, if approved for that time frame. The Sunshine Plaza has other plans than what Al mentioned. Where he got this information about Golden Dreams is pretty funny. And the whole Matt connection is nowhere near the truth who is really behind this effort at DCA. That will be for another time. I'm sorry I can't be too detailed about the information as it is all still very fluid, but Al just plain got it wrong on some items. Oh, and Incredibles will NOT be open as early as '07. It MIGHT open as early as '08 and possibly as late as '09. The show building, in the last rendition I saw did not have it pushing out into the Timon Parking Lot. There is plenty of room when certain existing buildings are removed. That is all I have for now.<< Of course, after that, a bunch of Al bashing happened (though some users did stick up for Al)... Then today, Marcie had this to say... Quote: Originally Posted by Marcie >>Actually, it is next after the entrance area gets completed with its Placemaking work. The entrance area from the turnstiles to the Golden State Bridge is truly the next area to be addressed and that work should begin around the February time frame. The Sunshine Plaza work is slated to begin after summer and it will be pretty major in scope. One item that even Al Lutz mentioned might come true after all. The Imagineers are still restling with the idea, but it appears one side maybe winning in their push to relocate a particular component of DCA to this area. Not sure what the benefits are of this move, but like I said before this Placemaking Project for DCA has created many opposing viewpoints up at WDI and some bitter feelings between designers.<< Amazing, she bashes Al just because she hasn't heard of the plans.... But then, I find it "funny" that certain folks are having to eat crow now....
Originally Posted By Pinocchio85 And how many times has Al been wrong? Too many to count! Leave Marcie alone. Perhaps the information she received at the time told her that Al was wrong. Plans change. At least Marcie has admitted Al was right. Al never admits when Marcie is right as he's wrong.
Originally Posted By AladdinAZ Isn't it ironic how the train at the entrance to DL takes you on a Grand Circle Tour of Walt Disney's Magic Kingdom, and that the Train at the Entrance to DCA, aka Engineer Toys, can't go anywhere! I think that, more than anything speaks volumes about DCA, and Disaster Control Agency they have had to rush in to "revive" DCA.
Originally Posted By pepethekingprawn <a href="http://jim.rees.org/ng09/0250.jpg" target="_blank">http://jim.rees.org/ng09/0250. jpg</a> I'm pretty sure that little train station look is supposed to be the one from San Diego.
Originally Posted By ChurroMonster Marcie has always been one to say that she knows more than anyone but would only hint at what she knows. Al at least would share his information be it right or wrong. And, for the record, I was as critical of AL as anyone as far back as his A.D.D. days, but his track record has been pretty impressive over the last year.
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt "Amazing, she bashes Al just because she hasn't heard of the plans...." Well, at least she owned up to it. And who can say that Al hasn't had his share of gaffes? It all goes to prove that you should never take internet rumors as fact.
Originally Posted By Darkbeer Alas, it seems like the main thing Marcie likes to do is bash Al..... Other folks that write and discuss Disney rumors rarely talk about the other writers and what they had to say... But it is Marcie who comes out of the woodwork after one of Al's article and tries to spin the information to match up with "her" (aka the Disney Media department) way. I think she spends WAY too much time talking about Al. If she just presented her inside info and discussed possible changes to the parks, that would be great....
Originally Posted By bean "WOW! Marcie at Mouseinfo just admitted that Al Lutz was right and that Golden Dreams may actually be moving to the entrance area. They are currently eating a little crow over at Mouseinfo, after laughing at Lutz for the last two months about his crazy DCA remodeling ideas." yes and no. When Mr. Lutz mentioned the possible change it was just an idea being tossed around. The actuall design of the entry plaza was completely diferent. That idea has been scrapped and in this new idea (one of several) their is a possibility of the golden dreams being moved to the entry plaza. That is still up in the air. The current idea has not been approved or finalized so it could still change. These changes if they do happen would not start till late summer early fall. Notice that this is approximately the same time that parts of the farm area would also start being redesigned to extend the warf area/ cannery row for the possible next "e" ticket. So at the time the news was announce by Mr. Lutz he was wrong and Marcie was just stating what was currently on the designs almost close to approval. Now she has come out and said that Mr. Lutz earlier information MIGHT actually be happening becuase it has now become a more possible addition to the new designs for the entry which will basically remove the Sun create a new icon and give the area a more inviting feeling.
Originally Posted By disneywatcher I think the most telling observations made by mouseinfo's DisCo insider in her post regards "opposing viewpoints" and "bitter feelings" among the employees or bigwigs of the DisCo. I think lousy office politics has been the Achilles' heel of DCA, from the day of the Aspen conference onward. I recall the DisCo insider that once was here, Galaxie500, and the insider at mouseinfo, Marcie, had totally different tones and biases about DCA. The former would state things in a far more just-the-facts-m'am manner, while the latter would bend over backwards to rationalize away many of the shortcomings of DCA. I still recall Marcie making it sound as though the park's two major original restaurants run by Wolfgang Puck and Mondavi were doing better than believed, or something to the effect that the reasons given by people in the Disney online community (including at mouseplanet.com) for those operators' pulling out from their contracts were mostly unfair or incorrect, overly negative spin.
Originally Posted By jmuboy On the redesign of the entrance, I like the Golden Gate Bridge. I think the whole entrance and Sun Court should be redesigned to resemble San Francisco. The expanded wharf and winery would make logical extentions of a San Fran area. That would still leave the problem of what to do with the mini Bay Area over by the lake, but that problem could easily be addressed - possibly rethemeing them to match the GRR area.
Originally Posted By Westsider Funny, that's not what Marcie said back then. That is only what she has said in the last 24 hours, as a way to "spin" the fact that she originally said Lutz was wrong about Golden Dreams back on November 8th. If she had said all of that back in early November, it would be one thing. What she did was come out and basically say "They actually may be moving Golden Dreams after all". But to try and make herself look better she created this whole backstory about how she knew all along that it was a proposal, but that when Lutz mentioned it it wasn't going to happen. Marcie trips all over herself to slam Lutz and try and prove that he's wrong. She went on record as saying Golden Dreams wasn't going to move, and Michael at Mouseinfo even said he was "laughing at" the info from Lutz. Now they are both backtracking and trying to spin the story that they had known all along that moving Golden Dreams was a possibility, but they just conveniently didn't mention that when they were telling everyone Lutz was wrong on November 8th and 9th. They got caught, and they are having to rewrite their story a bit, it's as easy as that. And it's very clear to see when you go back and reread their message board entries from the last 6 weeks regarding Lutz's info. It's not really a big deal, but it's very funny to watch and read, and Marcie is a master at trying to spin stuff and rewrite history in her favor. Unfortunately, message boards keep what you originally said intact, and you have to hope the majority of your readers don't go back and look up your original statements. What's that saying about people who live in glass houses?
Originally Posted By Westsider I'm also reminded of a similar situation Marcie got herself into regarding the Submarines. Lutz was the first to bring up the concept of reopening the Subs as a Finding Nemo ride, and he was talking about it back in '03. Marcie did her usual thing where she rips apart Lutz, and said there was no way they were going to reopen the Subs with Finding Nemo. Fast forward a year or so, and the Finding Nemo story was going full blast. Marcie finally stated that Nemo would be coming to the Subs, and when people tried to call her on it regarding her previous statements about Lutz's Subs info, she came up with this whole thing about how she was technically correct because at the time Lutz spilled the beans it was not a "serious proposal". That whole thing with Lutz, the Subs, and Marcie was almost identical to this latest Golden Dreams news. The difference was that with the Subs story the change in tack from Marcie was separated by a year or more and it was easier for her to slip her way out of what she originally said about Lutz and his Sub info. But this time with Golden Dreams, the change is only 6 weeks apart, and peoples memories are fresher about the tone and information she came out with in response to Lutz's November 8th news about DCA changes. This isn't the first time Marcie spins herself around to try and agree with stuff Lutz said months or even years earlier. But this time it was the most obvious, and a six week lag time is harder to cover up with TDA spin and marketing gobbledygook.
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt "I think she spends WAY too much time talking about Al." Probably, but then again Al spends way to much time mindlessly bashing Disney in general. I will say, though, that he has cleaned up his act in the past year or so. His commentary seems much more balanced than before. There was a time when I could barely stand reading his updates. On another note.... I certainly would love to see the artist concepts of the new Sunshine Plaze and DCA entrance.
Originally Posted By wangaroa Heeze how it iz, y'all: MAR-see, she a low-level hack, but her beef be marriage into da Mowse, know what I'm sayin'? Sho, she git little bits of infowmashun alreddy 'valiable to most cast membahs (shout out, bruthahs) if tey jest sho da intrust. Lutts, he a straight-up Heddah Hoppah (Peace, sistah-mourn you til I join you), gots to exist as a dang pair-a-sight, foo. So, da one crazy woman, she be "legit" like gots a leg in da do;, know what I'm sayin'? But, she ain't privy ta no Dubya-Dee-Eye sources, feel me? She git same schlock fool Lutts be eatin', only one step earlier. Don' worry bout they playah hatin' on each uddah: they both straight-up konjectuhahs. Wangsta out.
Originally Posted By disneywatcher >> Probably, but then again Al spends way to much time mindlessly bashing Disney in general. << By the same token, there are people who are and have been "kiss ups" to the DisCo. Now that's fine when such a place is run by truly talented, savvy people. But when creative clods like a Michael Eisner or Barry Braverman are in charge of things, watch out!! >> I'm also reminded of a similar situation Marcie got herself into regarding the Submarines. << Let's just say if someone with an attitude comparable to Galaxie500's (or, based on your various comments and critiques through the years, Westsider's) were directing a project, I'd have a lot more confidence in its outcome than if a brown noser or toady were given a lot of responsibility.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros I think it would be great to have a new design in the Sun Plaza. Right now, it is very uninviting and bland. While the stuff there is well done made, it isn't the most creative stuff ever, or the most beautiful. It really seems like a hallway to the rest of the park, rather than a grand entrance. I think they should keep the design up to the Golden Gate Bridge, but possibly add sometihng to the back-side of the murals, to make them look like part of the buildings too, rather than just a piece of corrugated metal. The parts past the bridge could all change, and I would be happy. The rest of that area just looks bland and like it could be in pretty much any city in the country. And for teh train station, they all look the same. Maybe it's because I'm not from California, but I really can't see major differences in any of the ones shown, except that DCA's really seems to hide the building better than the others.
