Originally Posted By WorldDisney You got (rather lengthy) mail again Mr. X . <<It was always on the drawing board, at least as far back as the first time I heard about it in 1998 (OFFICIALLY heard about it from Disney, I mean, when I was in a Disney meeting about plans and schematics for the upcoming DisneySea park...just in case someone wants to chime in stupidly and claim I saw it "as a rumor").>> Right, and I obviously knew that too. In fact, when I first heard ANYTHING about TDS in '99, I remember seeing TOT as an attraction exactly in the same place its in now. But yeah, even THEN, I just assumed it would be the exact SAME storyline as the MGM park, that it would just be renamed to 'New York' or something, but man I was waaay off lol. The fact they went beyound the call of duty and presented not ONLY a new storyline and theme, but extended that storyline from another area of the park, LOST RIVER DELTA! THAT'S why we love this park and its always topping the others . <<I've heard claims that ToT was "planned all along" for DCA too...but I find that hard to believe. VERY hard to believe.>> No, I'm pretty sure of hearing mentions of that one coming too at opening of the park and it was the ONLY thing coming thing coming with a park with basically two E-tickets....in the next 5 years lol.
Originally Posted By jonvn Yes I have ridden it! "Unpleasant" is the kindest word I have for it. The spooky set up is good. Sort of Haunted Mansion if it were a hotel. It's actually creepier than the Haunted Mansion, because the hotel has a more realistic appearance inside, and the mansion is plainly a ride sort of thing. Goes back to making stuff more involving by making it seem more realistic.
Originally Posted By WorldDisney **Central Park I think the name is** <<Waterfront Park.>> LOL, yeah, I was trying HARD to think of the name and even when writing that post I went to the TDR offficial site to find the name. Its not listed as an attraction (remember, this ain't HKDL ;D) and just got frustrated and for some reason 'Central Park' came to mind. It's not until after I clicked that I casually remember where I somehow connecet CENTRAL PARK with the New York theme. D'OH!!!!!! LOL Hey, I gotten use to TDLFAN questioning my fandom over the YEARS, now you too ;D.
Originally Posted By WorldDisney <<Seems like it's ok where it is to me. I think what you're seeing is a matter of space. Florida they stuck it way out at the end of Sunset. In DCA, they stuck it where it would best go.>> Yeah, its not the WORST place in the world or anything, it bothers me more its in the freakin BACKLOT of the studio more than anything lol. But, I always wondered why they DIDN'T just do the same thing as MGM, create a new 'street' for it, make it an extension of the area and not just tacked on like it basically is since you are at a theater (which is also ODDLY placed in a backlot, but makes a little more sense at least) and then out of nowhere, hey, a hotel? Hmmm! But then like everything in DCA it quickly hit me: MONEY .
Originally Posted By WorldDisney And BTW Jonvn, I heard you took my advice and decided to send Lutz email!! Waaay to go dude, I'm proud of you . Hopefully the response will be positive!
Originally Posted By jonvn I got no response, and did not expect one. But it was a nice letter, I thought. I'm sure it met with scorn and derision. But I did send it because you simply asked me to. That's all. Why not? I really have no reason to bear ill will to anyone. People seem to want to think differently of me, but that's how it is. "why they DIDN'T just do the same thing as MGM, create a new 'street' for it" No money, no space, no time, no talent. One or a combination.
Originally Posted By WorldDisney Sorry to hear that dude . But, you still got to stay a little positive, you JUST sent it right? So maybe you haven't gotten a response....yet . Anyway, glad you did and if he doesn't write back, well we ALL now know who is the bigger man, don't we? As for as TOT in DCA, yeah agreed it could've been any number of those things, a combination or all. Time probably did play a big factor since they basically pushed it up by a few years and was also working on many other things at that time that wasn't planned for the park as well.
Originally Posted By jonvn "we ALL now know who is the bigger man, don't we?" Bigger in every way you can think of.
Originally Posted By Mr X **Hey, I gotten use to TDLFAN questioning my fandom over the YEARS, now you too ;D.** No worries, I ain't much of a fan either. It's just that after endless days of hearing, several times a day, "ladies and germs, in just fifteen minutes in waterfront park, Tokyo DisneySea will proudly present Rhythms of the World!"...it sort of sinks in.
Originally Posted By labretbear I recall ToT being part of DCA's Phase Two from the get go. I also remember there being talk of having it located in the Pacific Wharf section as well, but that didn't make sense to me at the time. Perhaps the plan was for a similar story line as the one featured at TDS? A similar synopsis would blend in better with that locale than the Twilight Zone TV show. As for what DCA has for it's ToT, I enjoy it a lot. But the whole set up in WDW is much more immersive with the walk up the abandoned drive and through the unkempt gardens. The hotel structure in WDW is much more imposing in terms of size also. My major gripe about the DCA incarnation is the lighting in the boiler room. It feels like I've taken a wrong turn and ended up in the cartoony queue of Roger Rabbit's Toon Town. And as others have mentioned, why is there a decrepit, haunted hotel sitting on the edge of a working Hollywood backlot?
Originally Posted By Mr X **As for what DCA has for it's ToT, I enjoy it a lot. But the whole set up in WDW is much more immersive with the walk up the abandoned drive and through the unkempt gardens.** Yes, this was pretty much what I was driving at...at MGM it just seems to "belong there" because there is so much setup. At DCA, it's just sort of plunked down at the end of a backlot. And though you could make a similar argument for DisneySea (where space, just like DCA, is an issue), to me it makes much more sense being there considering it's "New York Harbor", and there are bound to be a few buildings here and there. **And as others have mentioned, why is there a decrepit, haunted hotel sitting on the edge of a working Hollywood backlot?** Yeah, plus that part.
Originally Posted By WorldDisney Hey Mr. X, you got more mail....who the hell needs Myspace when we got LP ;D. <<It's just that after endless days of hearing, several times a day, "ladies and germs, in just fifteen minutes in waterfront park, Tokyo DisneySea will proudly present Rhythms of the World!"...it sort of sinks in. >> LOL, do you still wake up in a cold sweat every night after you hear that in your dreams ;D
Originally Posted By WorldDisney Listen, don't get me wrong, although my little post took us waaay off topic (sorry) with the TOT debate, I certainly LIKE the attraction a lot and glad its there . I just wish the set up was better as USUAL with these things. I have to say though, MGM is still my favortie (I'm with Mr. X, I love the 5th deminsion room) with DCA and TDS versions being 'tied'. TDS layout and theme is just waaaay cool, but the ride itself leaves a lot to be desired where as the DCA version is just more fun IMO. Anyway, there it is!
Originally Posted By barboy Jack, you seem like a cool set of bones to me and you offer some quality points around here but you really need to see Disney Sea to fully appreciate the park. 2-D photos don't give it justice nor word of mouth. You need to experience the park first hand and after you visit then you will have a license to make comments like DCA's Mermaid will take a big dump on TD's Mermaid Lagoon.
Originally Posted By 2001DLFan <<bean: "Have you heard any plans to stick a bunch of random, cartoon oriented attractions all around DisneySea dude?" I have and guess who has been asking for them OLC. They are still very unhappy that they invested such a large sum of money at start-up only to have to invest another large sum to hold TDS attendance numbers from dipping. The original plans were to not invest in that park for at least five plus years. Instead large investments had to be made to continously change entertainment and push forward two expensive attractions. As much as i love how TDS came out with its incredible design, the pakr has had problems since opening>> I’ve heard the same thing. It’s disappointing that OLC feels they need to add characters to “enhance†TDS. While the may perceive problems in the park, they are nothing compared to DCA. The issue of adding characters may be misplaced. If they feel they need to put in additional attractions, they don’t necessarily need to be character based. If they ruin the Cape Cod or Waterfront areas by throwing characters everywhere, it will bring down the overall quality feeling of the environment.
Originally Posted By WorldDisney ^^AGREED!! Again, look what is happening to PP in DCA! They are changing MM, a sucky ride into Goofy's sky school or something and no offense, I rather just have MM as is now . PP doesn't have to be character themed to be better, just better attractions period and what they are doing to MM doesn't help! As for as TDS, I certainly don't mind more characters and as I said there isn't a single Pixar character there now so I don't mind they add a few just as long as its appropriate and tasteful (it sounds like I am talking about nudity in films lol) but something like the Nemo thing is PERFECT for this park, so why not? But shoving something like 'The Incredibles' or even 'Cars' I would have a harder time with. I mean, that stuff fits NO WHERE in the park as far as I can tell and would cheapen the environment to me. So hopefully if they go the pixar route, they just stick with Nemo in his own section of the park somewhere and maybe future characters.
Originally Posted By pwrof3 " And as others have mentioned, why is there a decrepit, haunted hotel sitting on the edge of a working Hollywood backlot?" Have you ever been to Warner Bros. Studios? There are actually quite a few small, abandoned hotels and movie theatres that sit there with grafitti and homeless people pretty close to the actual studios.... But, that's a stretch. You want to know the thought process for ToT at DCA? "We need to do something to get people to this park... Let's see, we were planning on adding the Hollywood Tower Hotel of Terror later on anyways... Wait a minute.. Hollywood Tower Hotel... We have a Hollywood section! Let's put it there!" Ok, so maybe that's not how it happened, but you never knew back in 2002
Originally Posted By jonvn "While the may perceive problems in the park, they are nothing compared to DCA." If TDS numbers are dipping, and DCAs numbers are not or are going up, then that's a really bad problem.
Originally Posted By Mr X Jon, rumors of TDS's demise are greatly exaggerated. Oh, and by the way...this is how you do
