Originally Posted By danyoung Anyone remember when DCA opened and the prognostications were that the lines would be HUGE while DL's lines would be small? I wonder if that will actually happen this time???
Originally Posted By Dabob2 DCA has increased the total number of visitors to DLR (one of its primary objectives), and I would think that would only continue. My guess is huge lines at Carsland AND huge lines at DL also as overall attendance increases, and the ease of parkhopping means people (especially AP's) treat it as one big park and just do whatever their favorites are.
Originally Posted By Witches of Morva ORWEN: I just hope the attendance does't go back down when word gets out about how Ariel's ice cream hair has melted. I think that was the main draw to her attraction. Everybody wanted a taste of The Little Mermaid's hair. What they can't lick they may not pick!
Originally Posted By SuperDry <<< DCA has increased the total number of visitors to DLR (one of its primary objectives), >>> ... but doing so while losing money wasn't part of the plan. They might be able to finally fix that. <<< the ease of parkhopping means people (especially AP's) treat it as one big park and just do whatever their favorites are. >>> I think that observation is getting to a big underlying point. I'm quite sure that the original intent of DCA was that it would be its own stand-alone, full-day experience, and not just a 2-3-hour add-on to a DL visit where you pick up a small handful of E-tickets then move on. The way they set up the pricing originally, and struggled to adjust it over the years, reflects this. I'm very curious to see that once 2.0 is open, will there be adjustments to the ticketing plans? Will the current notion of DCA being a $20 add-on go away? Will there be a higher price point for two-park APs? It's certainly possible that they rely solely on increased overall attendance to bump up the numbers, but if too many of the existing guests treat it "as one big park" as you describe and they don't adjust pricing, it may not be as profitable as they originally hoped.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <<< DCA has increased the total number of visitors to DLR (one of its primary objectives), >>> <... but doing so while losing money wasn't part of the plan. They might be able to finally fix that.> I've never seen any figures that indicate losing money, and I'm sure that depending on how you amortized the outlays and how you counted increased visitors as a whole vs. DCA visitors per se, the value of increased out-of-town stays in Disney-owned hotels (another primary objective), the value of DTD and the GCH (which never would have been built without a second park), etc. etc. etc., you could make the figures mean almost anything you wanted them to mean. <<< the ease of parkhopping means people (especially AP's) treat it as one big park and just do whatever their favorites are. >>> <I think that observation is getting to a big underlying point. I'm quite sure that the original intent of DCA was that it would be its own stand-alone, full-day experience, and not just a 2-3-hour add-on to a DL visit where you pick up a small handful of E-tickets then move on. The way they set up the pricing originally, and struggled to adjust it over the years, reflects this.> Before DCA, I never spent more than 2 days at DL, even as much as I loved it. Since DCA, I've never spent less than 3, and usually 4. I also never found it to be a 3 hour experience. As long as they keep all the AP's covering both parks, there's no reason NOT to treat it as one big park, given the proximity. If Carsland proves mega-popular, they might indeed revisit the AP pricing.
Originally Posted By Mickeymouseclub I just googled the Grand Open Ceremony for DCA on LP and found a fun article by John Frost for the "sleepover" crowd anticipations (pics included).Original post was dated 2/7/2001 I have said it before but it was a great sunny day with no crowds in DL or DCA. I know the exact opposite will be true for Carsland. I think it will be crazy crowded. I actually expect to stand in a long line for the daytime trip and back in a long line to wait for the night trip. Will this have Fastpass?
Originally Posted By ksargen We can only pray it gets Fastpass. They still haven't added it for TSMM, and it could use it nearly all the time. The only reason I can see for why they haven't added that is the space consideration... Let's hope they planned a little better for Carsland!
Originally Posted By Bob Paris 1 "<<< DCA has increased the total number of visitors to DLR (one of its primary objectives), >>> ... but doing so while losing money wasn't part of the plan. They might be able to finally fix that." Thank you Superdry! I thought it was 2002 again and jonvn had returned. I just might have had to gouge my eyes out.
Originally Posted By Bob Paris 1 "If Carsland proves mega-popular, they might indeed revisit the AP pricing." As well they should! I have said it many times here before. The DL/DCA Ap is priced TOO LOW. Especially when you compare it to something like the TDR AP which is around $900 or so. They could up the price even a few hundred and most people would probably still buy it. In Australia, cigarettes are HUGELY taxed but people STILL pay close to $20 for a packet. People will find the money for things they love. As much as I was not fond of the early DCA, the product IS improving and they SHOULD start charging a higher price to reflect the cost of building it.
Originally Posted By Mickeymouseclub Why do they even have to have the southern cal/arizona passes and discounts anymore? Disney needs to start unraveling that mess soon. If Disney needs to find the courage to change discounting structure Let them study the Airlines and hidden fees for hidden profits...
Originally Posted By Yookeroo "Do you want Cynthia's Twitter account?" Not particularly. Shes rather low on the list of people I care about following "She's quite open to putting her recent picture and career info out there via LinkedIn and other purposefully public websites that magically appear in a quick Google search." But why google her in the first place? Why do you care at this point in time?
Originally Posted By SpokkerJones It's interesting to see the people who were partially responsible for Disneyland's less than stellar era doing less than stellar themselves.
Originally Posted By SpokkerJones But as I said before, they are probably not doing bad financially. The career aspect, though, is definitely on a downward trend.
Originally Posted By Bob Paris 1 "But why google her in the first place? Why do you care at this point in time?" Why do you come to a Disney message board(along with the rest of us)and discuss ridiculous minutia(along with the rest of us)on subjects that would make other people shake their heads? Because it's interesting to YOU, the individual and with the internet it CAN be done.
Originally Posted By TP2000 Yookeroo, I've always enjoyed the business side of the Disneyland story, and the personalities behind that business have also been of interest to me. I read Eisner's book, for instance. It's also really interesting to me that Disneyland's protocol department invites former top executives back to the park for big events and grand openings, like Lindquist, Dominguez, Nunis, Ouimet, etc. But Pressler and Harriss, two people that were really OUT THERE in the media and public eye when they had the reins at Disneyland, far more so than most of their predecessors or replacements, have completely fallen off the radar when it comes to Disneyland events and acknowledging their tenure with Disney. I've always followed American business stories and the big personalities behind those stories; Lee Iacocca, Bill Gates, William Boeing, John Nordstrom, etc. My passion for Disneyland includes that interest in the business and leadership side of the story. I suppose I could just come here to LP and chit-chat about pins and DVC points and sparkly new sweatshirts for sale at the Emporium, but my interest in Disneyland goes beyond that. It's quite a telling thing that Harriss and Pressler are off the invite list, and/or have no desire to show their face in Anaheim. Quite frankly, it makes me chuckle to think about where we've all been over the last 10 years, with Pressler and Harriss a huge part of that story for years.
Originally Posted By Kidz-n-k9s <<Why do they even have to have the southern cal/arizona passes and discounts anymore?>> I didn't know that there were Arizona passes. I'd love to have one and be one of 'those' people. As I understand it, my only option as a Zonie is to buy a Deluxe/Premium AP.
Originally Posted By Mickeymouseclub Sorry I just assumed nearby school districts received discounts on everything since every family from surrounding states goes to DL for every 3 day weekend holiday the schools can create. I don't know why I included Az...
Originally Posted By Yookeroo "Why do you come to a Disney message board(along with the rest of us)and discuss ridiculous minutia(along with the rest of us)on subjects that would make other people shake their heads?" Well, see, I like Disneyland. If I hated Disneyland with the passion that the Pressler/Harris have, I'd probably be avoiding DL sites. "I've always followed American business stories and the big personalities behind those stories; Lee Iacocca, Bill Gates, William Boeing, John Nordstrom," Pressler & Harris belong on that list?
Originally Posted By TP2000 Pressler and Harriss don't belong on a list of business leaders on the national stage, by any means. I used those names as an example that I felt would make the point. Many Disney fans don't know who Ron Dominguez is, but know who Bill Gates is, as an example. But Pressler and Harriss belong on a list of business leaders on a stage dedicated to Disney theme parks, particularly during the early 21st century. Out of friendly curiosity, why does it bother you that Pressler/Harriss are still being discussed in conversations about the transformation of DCA during the past decade? And for those who love to read between the lines and love some great corporate psycho-babble, there's a hilarious interview with Cynthia Harriss still here on LP from July, 2000. In hindsight, it's a priceless interview with Cynthia! <a href="http://www.laughingplace.com/News-ID501150.asp" target="_blank">http://www.laughingplace.com/N...1150.asp</a>
Originally Posted By DlandDug >>I've never seen any figures that indicate [DCA] losing money, and I'm sure that depending on how you amortized the outlays and how you counted increased visitors as a whole vs. DCA visitors per se, the value of increased out-of-town stays in Disney-owned hotels (another primary objective), the value of DTD and the GCH (which never would have been built without a second park), etc. etc. etc., you could make the figures mean almost anything you wanted them to mean.<< And that's pretty much what anyone has to do when trying to make the case that DCA c. 2001 was anything but a failure. Those who do understand this don't have to go through any convolutions. Just look at the sad outcome: closed attractions (SuperStar Limo, Golden Dreams, MaliBoomer), hastily withdrawn merchandise (Paradise Pier playsets, railroad themed toys, anything branded for SuperStar Limo), closed down food outlets (Soap Opera Bistro, Hollywood and Dine, MalibuRitas, the original Lucky Fortune Cookery), and major long-term agreements terminated (Mondavi, Wolfgang Puck). Or was all that part of a strategic success plan that mere mortals such as I cannot comprehend?
