Originally Posted By oc_dean DCA wish lists? - enclose GRR to be more like PotC, and deminish the amount of splashing. Not everyone is interested in getting drenched beyond the amount on Splash Mountain. And even that is too much sometimes. - I'd love to see everything in Paradise Pier gone, except for Screamin'. Because of the established "water" theming of the area - I'd ask Disney ... let your WDI guys go crazy .. and do "whatever", tied to *Water*. Like some of the attractions found at DisneySea. Or even Tony Baxter's "Discoverybay" idea reimagineered with a much larger "canvas" to work with. So much more than what Frontierland can ever offer. - demolishen to the "Mall Food Court"-Warf area .. and be a region with a few real rides .. and be a gateway into the former Timon Lot .. that would be an entirely new land. I'm not so much for ArmChair imagineering .. as anyone can see my "DCA wish list" is vague - I just want to see a total transformation with the same kind of quality and detailing found in Disneyland, AK, DisneySea, Disneyland Paris, etc.
Originally Posted By seanyoda 1. Add a "Fun House" style attraction to Paradise Pier. 2. Replace Mullholland Madness with an enclosed spinning mad mouse coaster. 3. Turn the Hyperion into a real theatre with a lobby, restrooms, and concessions. Fufill the promise of showing full length shows in the evenings.
Originally Posted By idleHands "Or even Tony Baxter's 'Discovery Bay' idea reimagineered with a much larger 'canvas' to work with. So much more than what Frontierland can ever offer." Oops! Too late.
Originally Posted By leemac ^^ No it isn't. Nothing has been approved and there isn't going to be an substantial capital expenditure at DL any time soon beyond the Subs.
Originally Posted By idleHands ^^ Which obviously means 'Woody's Roundup' will not be going into the Festival Arena anytime soon. Which would easily explain bean's prognostications about the Toy Story dark ride going into Paradise Pier. And who cares if 'Son of Discovery Bay' hasn't received the green light yet. Maybe it won't for a year or two more, who knows? But if the TS dark ride is going into DCA, and NOT Frontierland in DL... I'm betting it's because that land is being earmarked for 'Son of DB'.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA Installing 'Discovery Bay' or even a close facsimile of 'Discovery Bay' into Disneyland would be akin to 'Western River Expedition' going in to DCA. The Disney nerd sites would go crazy.
Originally Posted By LuvDatDisney ^^" No it isn't. Nothing has been approved and there isn't going to be an substantial capital expenditure at DL any time soon beyond the Subs." Are you saying it isn't too late for Discovery Bay? Or that nothing at all is planned? It seems to me DCA is once again acting like that proverbial heroin monkey on DL's shoulder. Although I'm not too high on Discovery Bay now. It was a great concept for the 70s or 80s, but I don't think it would fly in 2006 or beyond. But, either way, DL needs new attractions. What did that old guy, the one who shills DVC ownership now, say about DL never being completed as long as there's imagination left in Glendale (that isn't hamstrung by financial wizs and political wrangling).
Originally Posted By LuvDatDisney "Installing 'Discovery Bay' or even a close facsimile of 'Discovery Bay' into Disneyland would be akin to 'Western River Expedition' going in to DCA. The Disney nerd sites would go crazy. " Uhm ... ain't that us?
Originally Posted By SuperDry <<< " No it isn't. Nothing has been approved and there isn't going to be an substantial capital expenditure at DL any time soon beyond the Subs." Are you saying it isn't too late for Discovery Bay? Or that nothing at all is planned? >>> Leemac can certainly speak for himself. But even I can interpret his response with respect to your questions: a) nothing has been approved, and b) there is not going to be substantial capital expenditure at DL anytime soon. I don't see anything in what he wrote that speaks one way or the other about Discovery Bay, other than it's not going to happen anytime soon.
Originally Posted By idleHands Seems several sources around the net are claiming that a Toy Story 'family dark ride' will be built in both DCA (Paradise Pier) and MGM parks. And this ride will supposedly be sans Buzz, just like the one previously proposed for Woody's Roundup Land in DL. It doesn't take rocket science to figure out that if Paradise Pier is getting the TS dark ride, then DL won't be getting it. And the location this ride was created for, was Woody's Roundup Land in the Festival Arena. So... no more WRL for Frontierland. Which means that this area might possibly receive another project -- like a revised Discovery Bay -- sometime in the future. OK, so it probably won't happen in the immediate future. But if it does happen, it will most likely occupy Frontierland real estate instead of DCA acreage. Which is what my original comment to dean's suggestion was implying.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA ^^^Frankly, I'd rather see a Discovery Bay type thing in Disneyland, than a Woody's Roundup attraction any day of the week. Especially in Frontierland. I really enjoy the areas of the park that aren't inundated with character references. New Orleans Square, pre-Splash Mountain Bear Country, Tomorrowland circa: 1976 -- alas, it's becoming more and more of a distant memory.
Originally Posted By smeeeko ^^either way it sounds like some cool things are coming DLR's way! =) (wish they 'd just pull Paradise Pier out of there anyway..)
Originally Posted By leemac <<^^ Which obviously means 'Woody's Roundup' will not be going into the Festival Arena anytime soon. Which would easily explain bean's prognostications about the Toy Story dark ride going into Paradise Pier.>> For once, you are right idleHands. I know it is a rarity for you so just enjoy the moment. <<Which means that this area might possibly receive another project -- like a revised Discovery Bay -- sometime in the future.>> Not likely at all. Beyond the Subs there isn't likely to be an capex in Disneyland. The development cash for the resort is being earmarked for DCA. The 50th has proven you don't need a lot to get attendance back up so I'm sure TDA will keep the focus on DCA changes for the next few years. And Disneyland doesn't need another attraction or land. That is what YOU want. The attendance figures for the whole of the 50th will demonstrate that regular guests are happy with DL as it is. And that is precisely what TDA will do.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh Yeah, when was the last time MK@WDW got an addition, rather than just a replacement?
Originally Posted By leemac <<I really enjoy the areas of the park that aren't inundated with character references.>> We agree again Jim. Sadly it seems regular guests want characters everywhere. The number of people asking CMs where the Yeti character is in DAK was phenomenal last week. They really did expect to see a Meet 'n' Greet with the character. I'm just glad that WDW visitors seem to be a little more accepting of non-character projects like IllumiNations, Everest and ToT than the DLR crowd.
Originally Posted By leemac <<Yeah, when was the last time MK@WDW got an addition, rather than just a replacement?>> It is actually likely to get approved this summer but the point is why bother? Attendance numbers for MK are so huge and without a significant new attraction since Splash (arguably). From a business POV it doesn't make sense to do so until attendance flatlines. However there is a strong movement in WDI to get a new E-ticket into the MK soon.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA To me, the stuff that didn't have the characters in it, is what made Disneyland interesting. The old 'Hungry Bear Restaurant' -- all of Bear Country really -- was a great getaway -- natural setting, really felt like you were somewhere else. 'Liberty Square' in WDW is a cool area -- and doesn't seem to have too much character interaction. It's one of the big reasons that I enjoyed visiting EPCOT Center back in the mid-80s -- it was a Disney park that wasn't slammed full of Disney characters. It's also why I appreciated those areas in DCA that didn't have characters in it -- 'Golden Dreams' 'Seasons of the Vine' to name my favorites -- and some of that 'weird' entertainment like 'Eureka!' 'Three Bags Full' and 'D-Vine' -- it was different and unusual. I'd rather see something different, than Mickey wearing vacation clothes [DCA], or a safari costume [Animal Kingdom], or a spacesuit [EPCOT], or a director's get up [Disney-MGM]. That seems like such a simple solution. But on I ramble...
Originally Posted By leemac ^^ You can add Mickey & Goofy as Sherpas from EE to that list! I think that is why I love the streetmosphere at D-MGM so much. Disney can create shows without layering on the characters so thick.
Originally Posted By SuperDry <<< I really enjoy the areas of the park that aren't inundated with character references. >>> <<< Sadly it seems regular guests want characters everywhere. >>> I agree. This reminds me of a couple of things: First, look what's happened to the Disney Stores, at least in the US. They're almost as pink as the Barbie section of an FAO Schwartz store, with seemingly half of the stuff being princess merchandise. Maybe once a year I'll wander into one, and am surprised that there's essentially nothing in there that's of interest to me, despite me being a Disney fan. It's really hard for me to say definitavely what exactly went wrong with the Disney Store, but it does seem that their performance slip coincided with the move from more unique merchandise to the "everything is for the little princess in the family" orientation these days. In a way, it seems that the World of Disney concept had to be created to fill the void of what the Disney Store used to be. Again, I don't know much about mass-market retail and the forces that drive it, so these are just my casual observations. The other thing it reminds me of is the shift in merchandise at retail locations within DL. Once upon a time, there were all sorts of unique specialty retail locations, like the magic store in Fantasyland. These days, almost every retail location in DL is offering yet another opportunity to buy plushes of Disney characters or other park-related merchandise. Mostly gone are the things like the Fantasyland magic shop where the environment you're in might have put you in the mood to buy a certain type of merchandise even if it didn't have Disney stamped all over it.
