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Originally Posted By dsnykid Comparing a suicidal man to a person who drives drunk... hmmm...while driving drunk can often be considered suicidal behavior, I personally feel that is where the comparison ends.. I've been suicidal, I've talked at length on these boards about both myself and my brother's mental illness... I can say with all honesty that I never thought about driving drunk as a way to kill myself because I only wanted to kill myself, not others. I also remember very clearly thinking that my death would be the best thing for my family and that, although the grief would be a lot for them, they would be better off not having me to worry about. I truly felt that I was doing something helpful for my family. That is how many suicidal people feel at the time they are planning and attempting suicide. It was a common theme when I was in counseling afterwards as well, so I don't think I am in the minority.
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Originally Posted By danyoung >I find it odd that you would brag about not feeling any emotion for a person who could be in pain.< I didn't brag about anything. I simply stated that my heart does not go out to this person. I know nothing of this person. The guy might not have any family to mourn him, might have an inoperable tumor, might be checking out with the only shred of dignity left to him. Every suicide doesn't have to be a mental illness or an overwhelming despondence. It could very well have been the last decision of a rational mind in an irrational situation. His method and his location were unfortunate, but other than that I know nothing about him or his history. So I repeat that assumptions are being made with no basis in fact. It's a sad thing that a person chose to end his life like this, and in this location. But it might not be as tragic and horrific as some have been intimating. At the risk of offending those who have fought depression and won the battle (and more power to you - really!), some times deciding your own time and place to check out is not always a bad thing.
Originally Posted By mele Well, I can agree with your last statement, dan. I just think that at the base of every suicide, there is something they're trying to escape and whatever that is is sad. I guess I have to backtrack a little, then. If someone calmly plans and chooses to commit suicide in a place where children would almost definitely see them...yes, that is selfish. Even then, I don't think it's the act of suicide that is necessarily selfish, just where they chose to do it.
Originally Posted By dsnykid Dan, I agree, not everyone kills themselves because of a mental illness... But it is the majority, and that is where many of us are speaking from. And I do understand where you are coming from, I think my issue was more with comparing a suicidal person to a drunk driver who puts others lives at risk as well.
Originally Posted By TINK-MOBILE Dear Friends...until you know the past of this young man your speculation only fuels the anger in your hearts for each other, i have offered my email address to you so i could send you a message that was sent to me to-day, why it was sent at this time I believe was to soothe your hearts away from this hurtful discussion, you are tearing each other apart,this man wass in deep trouble inside something was causing him to feel the way he was feeling, instead of fueling agruments , fuel prayers for his family , they must be so hurt by this tragedy , at a place where we all want to have fun at..a place where we do not want hurt and harm to enter in, but it happens and when it does we must stand together in prayer trying to make a difference in it not happening any more, how would you feel if a fellow lp'er lets say, was reaching out to you, unbenounced to your thinking, as part of this discussion and you trashed this person , causing them to enter into a different realm of understanding, which caused this person to take their life because they saw no return ...My suggestion will always be open to you i do not have the knowledge of posting these things on this site, if one only one of you would take a lil of your time to send me your email address and then post this message , i believe after reading it, you all will return to the compassionate side that you all are so well known for..my email once again is CHRISTMAS-WISHES@HOTMAIL.COM...FROM CLOVERDALE CANADA TAKE care ...hugs from the tink-mobile oxox be kind when you unwind....
Originally Posted By danyoung Tink, there are two different discussions going on in this thread. The more important discussion, the one about this man's suicide, is proceeding with great restraint, of which I'm very impressed. I was preparing to be blasted for my thoughts, only to find calm discourse, which is always wonderful. The other discussion, involving Mr. X and hurt feelings and who said what first, is nothing more than an internet chat site battle, which goes on all the time. It will resolve itself in time, and should not be viewed as anyone tearing anyone apart. Mr X has been in many of these battles (as have I), and we all survive just fine. Don't let the temporary ugliness stress you out too much.
Originally Posted By TINK-MOBILE Dear danyoung apparently this young man was rooming with a friend , when the lord came as another and asked for comfort three seperate times , no one knew him , but they helped him just the same, we are a family on this site, most do not know me, yet they say thank you for my kind thoughts , wishes and prayers,some defened me for printing big as i know it may sound as i am yelling, but it was because i read a lot better with some bigger print, yet i now print small because i do not want to ffend anyone, when a child is lost we do not turn away... we help..i tell you the truth if you were in harms way and i was present i would be there for you...i know that deep in your heart you would be there for me or anyone else..even though this man may have been totally all by him self, he may also not have been all by himself, he may have lost a child a wife. i had a friend who was driving home with his family one night back to kamloops...his carwas struck head on by another, his wife and new born were killed, he took his own life later on, he was a pharmcist so he knew what he was going to do , it must take a lot of pain deep inside to jump 14 stories, i could not imagine the fear and pain he must of been feeling, speculation only leads to more speculation..prayer is a wonderful healer..the felow he was with may be an lp'er like you or I, he needs our compassion, our prayers, not arguments which can only further more pain ..upon us all.. take care... let us all pray that this never happens again....hugs from the tink-mobile ox
Originally Posted By TINK-MOBILE danyoung, you do have compassion in your heart...you do..i just worry bout how much harm that can come from words , i will try not to stress out so much..i really have not spoken with mr x and i now understand what you are telling me.. just so sad that this has taken place ...yes at the most happiest place on earth, take care my friend, i really hope that we too may meet up one day...hugs from us both the tink-mobile and snowhite too..ox
Originally Posted By LuLu I'm sorry that this suicide has stirred up hurt feelings in so many of our LP family. This incident touches all of us, but some more deeply than others. Hang in there, all...
Originally Posted By danyoung >i know that deep in your heart you would be there for me or anyone else.< Of course I would. If a situation came up where I was next to someone who was about to jump, I'd like to think that I'd be doing whatever I could to defuse the situation. What I've been trying to say is that sometimes a person can make the well thought out decision that it's time to say goodbye. It's just unfortunate that this had to take place on Disney property. I don't want to sit here in my home in Dallas and presume to know what was in the man's mind. That's why I'm saying that I'm not allowing myself to get all worked up about his death, any more than I freak out every time I hear about someone dying in a car crash. We don't know all the facts of the situation, so none of us is in a position to judge. Tink, you are obviously a deeply religious person. I am not, but I can still appreciate the spirit behind your words. Take care.
Originally Posted By TINK-MOBILE Dallas Cowboys are my most favourite team one day i would like to see them play, if they come to seattle Which is about 200 hundred miles away from canada i just might , our sister in law lives in tacoma..which islose to seattle, take care and thank you for your kind words..my friend Thank you lulu ..for sharing... you too are such a wonderful gal, who looks great in your pictures too, hugs from Tink...
Originally Posted By MomluvsDisney The whole situation is sad. And until a person has been in such a situation where that seems the best choice, then they cannot truly know what it feels like. I can say from personal experience that when you get into that point in your life, making a decision to end it seems like the only available option. Everyday, I count my blessings that I was given a second chance at something so precious as life. And everyday I find so many things that make it all worthwhile. The biggest thing in my life is my precious daughter. If I had not been given this second chance, she would not be here. My mother hates it when I talk about this experience, but I do so without shame. It is not who I am now, but it allows me insight to the depth of darkness that we can take ourselves to. If that colors peoples perceptions of me, then so be it. I am proud of who I am, today and everyday from today. I pray for his friends and family. The loss of a family member and a friend can be devastating for the people who are left behind. Especially when it is a chosen loss.
Originally Posted By MickeyMommy What a terrible tragedy for everyone. We were reluctant to stay at the DLH for a while because we could see the doors wide open on the higher floors and see the curtains flapping in the wind. It just didn't look safe. We have since stayed half a dozen times at the DLH, but we never, ever unlock the balcony windows. I am probably being ultra cautious, but kids goofing around near a balcony is too risky.
Originally Posted By DisneyFreak96 << What a terrible tragedy for everyone. We were reluctant to stay at the DLH for a while because we could see the doors wide open on the higher floors and see the curtains flapping in the wind. It just didn't look safe. We have since stayed half a dozen times at the DLH, but we never, ever unlock the balcony windows. I am probably being ultra cautious, but kids goofing around near a balcony is too risky. >> Agreed. When I stayed at a Marriott for a model UN the family next to us let the kids play unattended on a balcony similar to the DLH. I was appalled. On the other hand, I have always loved those balconies in Anaheim and the wind blowing the curtains relaxed me.
Originally Posted By SoThisIsLove (TINK-MOBILE, you are one very sweet person.) And I agree with LuLu's comment in #75. I think we've all gone to our dark places (at least most of us) and I'm thankful we're all here today.
