Originally Posted By gadzuux >> But President Clinton was found in contempt of court for misrepresenting the facts. << The "facts" concerning a sexual encounter with a woman other than his wife. >> And since Rep Delay is being considered guilty because of his associatiates ... << Tony Rudy isn't just an 'associate', he was delay's chief of staff.
Originally Posted By StillThePassHolder "I brought him up for exactly the reason that I said I brought him up. To show that being "disgraced" is not what it used to be. The fact that someone felt he had to defend the former President shows that." Not this time, it doesn't work. Clinton is completely irrelevant here. He lied about getting it on with an intern. Delay's going on trial for being a power hungry, greedy bastard. And be careful about raising the sceptre of Clinton. Despite all his troubles, nobody ever ran him out of office. The guy stuck it out, which is more than we can say for Spineless Tom Delay.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <Tony Rudy isn't just an 'associate', he was delay's chief of staff.> And Webster Hubbell was President Clinton's associate attorney general, and the MacDougals were his business partners, and Jim Guy Tucker was his Lt Governor.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <He lied about getting it on with an intern. Delay's going on trial for being a power hungry, greedy bastard.> I don't believe that's what Delay was indicted for. We'll see if he is convicted of anything. <Despite all his troubles, nobody ever ran him out of office. The guy stuck it out, which is more than we can say for Spineless Tom Delay.> President Clinton finished his term; it looks like Rep Delay will do the same.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <Tony Rudy isn't just an 'associate', he was delay's chief of staff.> And actually, Mr Rudy was only Rep Delay's Deputy Chief of Staff.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <That makes it all better then.> Mr Rudy broke the law and is rightly paying for his crime. It remains to be seen if Rep Delay is guilty of any crime.
Originally Posted By JeffG >> "President Clinton finished his term; it looks like Rep Delay will do the same." << Actually, Delay has resigned from his post and is expected to leave office by mid-June. I wouldn't be that surprised if that timeline even turns out to be optimistic on his part and he ends up leaving sooner under pressure from his own party's leadership. The guy's political career is almost certainly over, definitely earlier than he would have expected. The comparison to Clinton hardly holds anyway, considering that he was not eligible for re-election after the final term that he completed. DeLay hardly is dealing with term limits here... -Jeff
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Originally Posted By DouglasDubh What am I lying to myself about? You're the one whose posts are full of wishful thinking, rather than facts.
Originally Posted By StillThePassHolder They're all facts, and you know it. Your denial act is especially weak on this one. It's also rather hilarious. I didn't think you were this stupid. Delay's a disgraced politician. Period.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh If you actually had facts on your side, you'd stick to them. Instead, you have to try to be insulting.
Originally Posted By cape cod joe Why all the excitement when a guy isn't convicted? It seems a lot of these "get Delay" posters attacketh too much. Some side of the aisle has to stop the "gotcha thing" as this venom here is overwhelming. Douglas, on this one, is spouting facts, whereas others are spouting "feelings" of hatred. I know that one quite well, but out of curiosity, why all this hate for Delay? It seems he killed someone by these posters reactions to a resignation.
Originally Posted By DlandDug When I first pointed out that DeLay hadn't actually been convicted of anything, it wasn't intended as spin. It's a simple statement of fact. I said it not in response to his situation (which looks pretty dire), but in response to the gleeful dogpiling that was taking place early in this thread. It seemed to me that it looked an awful lot like the same sort of thing that folks on the right did when Clinton was on the ropes. And sure enough, Clinton's name was evoked shortly after. (BTW-- he didn't just "lie about a dalliance." He lied under oath, obstructed justice, and encouraged others to file affidavits he knew were false. He was disbarred. BUT... never convicted of anything. So, he's clean, right?) >>"Good luck with that conviction by the way. There is nothing there." Who cares? He's gone, he's history, he's completely irrelevant.<< And some on the right would make the same exact argument about the hated Mr. Clinton. Big deal.
Originally Posted By DlandDug >>And be careful about raising the sceptre of Clinton.<< Clinton is quite capable of raising his own sceptre, thank you. But we will be careful before raising his SPECTRE. (I couldn't resist)
Originally Posted By StillThePassHolder This should go here as well- What's Delay charged with? Under what kind of a cloud is he leaving? The opening paragraph of an editorial in today's Los Angeles Times put it rather succinctly: "JACK ABRAMOFF WAS EVERY REPUBLICAN'S favorite lobbyist. Tom DeLay was every lobbyist's favorite Republican. Today, thanks to their own corruption, Abramoff is off to serve a 70-month jail term for fraud, and DeLay is walking away from what he loves best — campaigning for his congressional seat. Stung by a money-laundering indictment, multiple ethics lapses and the inconvenient fact that several of his former staffers have been implicated in the Abramoff affair, the former House majority leader from Texas is making a graceless exit from the political mess he helped create."
