Originally Posted By davewasbaloo If it means that Obama is a great leader and can instill a sense of good values that can spread across the world, then I am all for him!
Originally Posted By Mr X So now you right wingers are insulting Jesus for being a "community organizer"? Is there nothing you won't stoop to!
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo I know x - you think they would celebrate the way Obama, oops I mean Jesus, wants to show people the light. does that make McCain supports satanic? If so I need to get rid of my pentagram.
Originally Posted By Mr X I think it's funny that the OP here is so gosh darned offended that someone may refer to someone as "similar to Jesus". How dare they? Blasphemy! (any other Christians happen to revere that Joe Smith guy from Vermont in an almost Jesus-like manner? I sure don't remember hearing about him in Catholic Sunday school)
Originally Posted By ChurroMonster Jesus (real or not) was a liberal. He was all for helping the poor, taking care of sick people who couldn't take care of themselves, tolerating sinners, and not judging anyone for any reason. He also REALLY didn't like holier-than-thou religious leaders. It would be nice if most conservative Christians followed what Jesus actually taught.
Originally Posted By woody >>Jesus (real or not) was a liberal.<< Whatever happened to separation of church and state? Okay, I know the separation of church and state doctrine only applies to conservative Christians, but if they are not correctly practicing their faith, then there's no problem, correct? Then again, your rant suggests that only true practicing Christians are liberals, but shouldn't that disqualify them as political leaders since we still have the separation of church and state doctrine? I must add that you really don't know anything about Christians. Jesus is neither liberal or conservative. He doesn't fit in any mold. He is a bit of both and perfect in everyway.
Originally Posted By ChurroMonster Separation of church and state? Do you even have any idea what "liberal" means? I'm curious to know in what way you think Jesus was conservative.
Originally Posted By woody >>Separation of church and state? Do you even have any idea what "liberal" means? I'm curious to know in what way you think Jesus was conservative.<< What a lame response? Do you know the definition of conservative? Jesus is conservative in the sense that he adheres to Jewish law. He is liberal in the sense that the spirit of the law is just as important as the letter of the law. Matthew 19:17 17"Why do you ask me about what is good?" Jesus replied. "There is only One who is good. If you want to enter life, obey the commandments."
Originally Posted By ChurroMonster From Wiktionary: Liberal: Favoring ideas that treat all people with equal justice regardless of educational, financial, sexual or racial status. Conservative: A person who favors maintenance of the status quo or reversion to some earlier status. Yes, I do know what they mean.
Originally Posted By woody How about a more "liberal" definition? <a href="http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/liberal" target="_blank">http://dictionary.reference.co.../liberal</a> I prefer #11 to describe the situation since it isn't always about politics when talking about religion and the bible. "11. not strict or rigorous; free; not literal: a liberal interpretation of a rule." With the definition of conservative, your definition is accurate for the first hand. <a href="http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/conservative" target="_blank">http://dictionary.reference.co...ervative</a> "1. disposed to preserve existing conditions, institutions, etc., or to restore traditional ones, and to limit change." --- Jesus is both conservative and liberal. He is not strict with the rule of Jewish law, while asking others to obey the Jewish law in spirit. Is that so hard?
Originally Posted By dshyates "Jesus is both conservative and liberal." I believe they call that a "moderate".
Originally Posted By woody No, it would not. Jesus would be dull if moderate and he definitely is not. Jesus does not compromise and his liberal and conservative stances are quite clear, but not clear to the liberal partisan.
Originally Posted By mawnck >> Jesus would be dull if moderate and he definitely is not.<< Ya think? I heard somewhere that "Jesus is Just Alright," so perhaps He *is* a moderate.
Originally Posted By Sport Goofy Sorry guys, but Jesus was a radical in his times. Thus, they crucified him. They don't crucify mere liberals or conservatives.
Originally Posted By Mr X I actually don't like that wikitictionary definition. Sounds like it was written by a liberal (seriously). There are many shades of grey. One thing I feel though, is that the true definition of "conservative" has been hijacked by those in power now. I see many conservative politicians in Japan all the time. They are reserved, careful with money, and proponents of supporting good and CONSERVATIVE businesses as a sound way to uplift the economy. And regarding the corporations they support, there is a big difference between Japan and America. They do NOT tend to support boom and bust "let's rape the populace while we have the chance" businesses..nor reckless and irresponsible businesses... A true "conservative" is also conservative about the endeavors they champion...it's not about "supporting big business no matter what they do", but rather sticking with and getting behind those companies who are tried and true. THAT part of conservatism is the part I think that links back to "status quo". That is sometimes bandied about as a bad thing, but there is a lot of truth to the old axiom "if it ain't broke, don't fix it". Also, experience should be generally regarded as a GOOD thing..as should excelling in higher education, desire for honest reform, and being charismatic. All these things have been mocked recently. Some from one side, some the other. It's pretty pathetic but I'm starting to reach the conclusion that America is a joke (sorry). All of it, not just one side or the other (or even the third parties...but they have no voice so it doesn't matter...I do like Ron Paul though). Anyway, the Japanese politicians I see these days represent, to me, what conservatism really is all about. And actually, I like it. I really do. These neocon jokes, however, don't strike me as really "conservative" at all. They're just a bunch of propaganda driven, bible and hate fueled extremists frankly.
Originally Posted By mawnck >> They don't crucify mere liberals or conservatives.<< Except for poor, poor Sarah Palin.
Originally Posted By woody >>They don't crucify mere liberals or conservatives.<< You're not following politics. <a href="http://gawker.com/5045295/biden-would-prosecute-bush-war-crimes" target="_blank">http://gawker.com/5045295/bide...r-crimes</a> Biden Would Prosecute Bush War Crimes "Biden's comments, first reported by ABC news, attracted little notice on a day dominated by the drama surrounding his Republican counterpart, Alaska governor Sarah Palin." ---- Yeah, Jesus is a radical. That's why people still don't understand him.
Originally Posted By Sport Goofy Is it a conservative principle to turn a blind eye to criminal acts?
Originally Posted By mawnck >>Is it a conservative principle to turn a blind eye to criminal acts?<< No. They extol them as patriotic.
