Originally Posted By Dabob2 <<Is there any evidence at all that the Dem. leadership of SD knew this guy was a groper for years, and then did nothing about it? No? Apple and orange then.>> <There was no evidence of negligence by the Republican leadership in the Foley matter, but that didn't stop some. It's clearly a double standard. > Sure there was evidence. One of the kids in question complained to his congressman, who in turn talked to GOP leadership. As I remember, the most any of them claimed to have done was talk to Foley about it once, then considered it "dealt with." Of course, ephebophiles rarely limit their interest in one "object of affection," so if they knew this guy was focusing his attention on underage guys (and they did), they should have at the least investigated and seen if there were any other teens he did similar things to. They did not, and they were negligent in not doing so. Compare that to this case. AFAIK, no one in SD was aware of anything untoward with this state senator until this particular guy made his accusation. That's quite different than Foley. You can keep trying to claim the situations are comparable or that there's a "double standard," but actually you're only revealing your own double standard based on the party affiliation of the person in question.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh How can keep trying to claim the situations are comparable when I haven't done that? You can revise history as much as you want, but you're revealing your own biases, not mine.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder Fooling myself? Who's reading more into this than is actually there? Not me.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <How can keep trying to claim the situations are comparable when I haven't done that?> Huh? You did in fact compare them when you wrote "Apparently, sending kinky e-mails is much worse than groping someone." If you're going to try to play some semantic trick and claim that that's not comparing them...
Originally Posted By TALL Disney Guy I was touched last night, and I gave no one permission either. :-( Funny thing is, I was in bed alone. Wait a minute... (**BLUSH**)
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <Who's reading more into this than is actually there?> That would be you.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <You did in fact compare them when you wrote "Apparently, sending kinky e-mails is much worse than groping someone."> No, I didn't. Again, in case there are more of the reading impaired out there, I compared the reaction to each matter, not the matters themselves. A Democrat does something, no big deal. A Republican does something, everyone must go. It's telling.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>I compared the reaction to each matter<< While you're comparing reactions, it might be worth noting that when the Foley incidents happened (or pretty much anything that casts a negative light on the GOP), the poster who started this thread had very little to say on the matter, and didn't rush to start threads about it. At first a lot of conservatives on here tried to downplay it. So, the bias isn't one-sided around here. >>A Democrat does something, no big deal. A Republican does something, everyone must go. It's telling.<< And exactly the opposite happens, too, as much as you might wish that the GOP is above such myopia.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <<<You did in fact compare them when you wrote "Apparently, sending kinky e-mails is much worse than groping someone.">> <No, I didn't. Again, in case there are more of the reading impaired out there, I compared the reaction to each matter, not the matters themselves.> Nope, sorry, I'm calling shennanegains on the semantics. Until YOU brought up Foley, he wasn't even in this discussion. The discussion was about Sutton, and Gadzuux's contribution was to take the minority position that the groping was no big deal since they were both adults, and it was essentially an unwelcome advance but nothing more. I and others pointed out that if the two people weren't related that would be the case, but since their relationship was essentially boss and subordinate, that harrassment was an issue. So that was the discussion. Not Foley. And rightly so - because the two situations are an apple and an orange. It was you who brought up Foley. You complained that Gadzuux's reaction was different, with "Apparently, sending kinky e-mails is much worse than groping someone." But of course Gadzuux's reaction was different. It was a completely different situation. Thus a different reaction is appropriate. You then complained it was a "double standard," which would only make sense if they were comparable situations. You then laughably tried to say you weren't comparing them, when it was you who brought Foley into this to begin with, and brought up the whole concept of "double standard," which directly implies that the two situations are similar enough to warrant similar responses. Of course, they're not. For those keeping score at home.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip For most adult guys the "yuck factor" of sharing a bed with another adult male means there is NO WAY they would ever do it unless they were a little interested in the possibilities. Grown women occasionally share a bed, but then they will dance together too so what can you say? If a grown man shares a bed with another grown man he may not be gay but he’s certainly curious.
Originally Posted By TALL Disney Guy Or maybe for some reason they just ended up with a room with one bed, or maybe there was a mix-up, or no other rooms or available, or whatever. In high school you had to share beds on trips. The worst thing that ever happened to me though was one night when me and my "bedmate" were sleeping back to back, but both decided to unknowingly turn over and face the other way in the dark. **CONK!!** Our foreheads hit so hard it woke up the guys next to us, LOL.
Originally Posted By jonvn I don't even like sleeping in the same room with another guy, let alone the same bed.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<Or maybe for some reason they just ended up with a room with one bed, or maybe there was a mix-up, or no other rooms or available, or whatever.>> This ain't camp for kids... this is the Hilton (or whatever). I'd probably sleep on the floor... unless I wanted a walk on the wild side...
Originally Posted By DlandDug >>For most adult guys the "yuck factor" of sharing a bed with another adult male means there is NO WAY they would ever do it unless they were a little interested in the possibilities.<< Through high school and college I wouldn't have given it a second thought. Particularly if it was with a trusted adult male who was a friend of the family. Granted, I wouldn't want to unless it was necessary. But whatever the circumstance, the fact remains that this was an unwanted advance that went too far. The grown up in this scenario should have known better.
Originally Posted By TALL Disney Guy <Through high school and college I wouldn't have given it a second thought. Particularly if it was with a trusted adult male who was a friend of the family.> I agree. I shared a nice big waterbed with my grandfather up into my teens whenever I'd go visit the grandparents (they didn't sleep in the same room cause my grandmother didn't wanna put up with his snoring). I just look at a bed as a bed. As long as it's somewhere to sleep, that's what's important to me.
Originally Posted By TALL Disney Guy <I must have been somewhat more precocious... > If you say it loud enough you'll always sound precocious! Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious!
