Originally Posted By Ursula (I'm especially notative of an arugment I had way back when Bush stopped our L.A. traffic and someone told me to shut up because I need to respect the office of the prez.
Originally Posted By fkurucz <<It's over McCain will be Prez>> Oh goodie! More stagnant wages More offshored jobs More war in the middle east (at what point will they need to reinstate the draft?) More trade deficits More borrow and spend More inflation What is there to not like?
Originally Posted By mawnck <<It's over McCain will be Prez>> I think it had the potential of being over until this latest McCain ad hit. But maybe I am overestimating my fellow citizens yet again. Guess we'll see.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <This is just plain false.> No, it's not. Sen Obama voted for a bill which stated, "Each class or course in comprehensive sex education offered in any of grades K through 12 shall include instruction on the prevention of sexually transmitted infections, including the prevention, transmission and spread of HIV."
Originally Posted By dshyates ""Each class or course in comprehensive sex education offered in any of grades K through 12 shall include instruction on the prevention of sexually transmitted infections, including the prevention, transmission and spread of HIV."" Where did you get that quote?
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "<This is just plain false.> No, it's not. Sen Obama voted for a bill which stated, "Each class or course in comprehensive sex education offered in any of grades K through 12 shall include instruction on the prevention of sexually transmitted infections, including the prevention, transmission and spread of HIV." Lifted from queenbee in another thread: Obama, contrary to the ad's insinuation, does not support explicit sex education for kindergarteners. And the bill, which would have allowed only "age appropriate" material and a no-questions-asked opt-out policy for parents, was not his accomplishment to claim in any case, since he was not even a cosponsor – and the bill never left the state Senate.>> <a href="http://www.factcheck.org/elect..._ed.html" target="_blank">http://www.factcheck.org/elect..._ed.html</a>
Originally Posted By dshyates "From a blog which got it from the McCain campaign." Ahhh, well its factually incorrect.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <And the bill, which would have allowed only "age appropriate" material and a no-questions-asked opt-out policy for parents> The text of the bill says otherwise. The record shows he voted for it.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder Take your parsing and semantics and put them in the shorts of an 11 year old Palin would force to carry a baby to term if the kid was raped. Palin's an abomination and McCain should be ashamed of himself for allowing her to be forced upon him.
Originally Posted By queenbee <<SB 99: However, no pupil shall be required to take or participate in any family life class or course on HIV AIDS or family life instruction if his parent or guardian submits written objection thereto, and refusal to take or participate in such course or program shall not be reason for suspension or expulsion of such pupil.>> The above is a quote from the bill. What follows is an interview with Obama regarding the legislation. <<Keyes, Oct. 21, 2004: Well, I had noticed that, in your voting, you had voted, at one point, that sex education should begin in kindergarten, and you justified it by saying that it would be "age-appropriate" sex education. [It] made me wonder just exactly what you think is "age-appropriate." Obama: We have a existing law that mandates sex education in the schools. We want to make sure that it's medically accurate and age-appropriate. Now, I'll give you an example, because I have a six-year-old daughter and a three-year-old daughter, and one of the things my wife and I talked to our daughter about is the possibility of somebody touching them inappropriately, and what that might mean. And that was included specifically in the law, so that kindergarteners are able to exercise some possible protection against abuse, because I have family members as well as friends who suffered abuse at that age. So, that's the kind of stuff that I was talking about in that piece of legislation. >> This is all available at factcheck including a link to full text of SB99.
Originally Posted By dshyates "The text of the bill says otherwise." Once again, not it doesn't. Here is an exerpt from the actual HB99: "appropriate to the various grade levels; and whenever such courses of instruction are provided in any of grades K 6 through 12, then such courses also shall include age appropriate instruction on the prevention of sexually transmitted infections, including the prevention, transmission and spread of HIV AIDS." Here is a link to Illinois House Bill 99 (check section 5): <a href="http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/fulltext.asp?DocName=&SessionId=3&GA=93&DocTypeId=SB&DocNum=99&GAID=3&LegID=734&SpecSess=&Session=" target="_blank">http://www.ilga.gov/legislatio...Session=</a>
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <Once again, not it doesn't.> The language I quoted is in the first paragraph. You can deny it all you want, but it's there.
Originally Posted By Mr X Yates, facts are not the issue here. Doug claims "the text says otherwise", it doesn't matter if it's true or not! Douglas' dear leader lies and doesn't care about the future of America...so why should Douglas be any different?
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh I stated facts. You can deny them all you want, but they remain true.
Originally Posted By Mr X Thing is Douglas, quoting only the first paragraph and insisting that any following paragraphs have no bearing on the first is the problem. It's called "reading comprehension".
Originally Posted By Mr X Misquotes and half-quotes and chopped up parts of a whole are exactly what McCain is doing in his attacks. Your "facts" are in the same department, Doug. I even corrected people on here when they did the same thing to Palin, much as I am opposed to her VP candidacy. Why not show some integrity and start doing the same, Douglas? At least one person from your side should, might as well be you.
