Originally Posted By gadzuux How else to justify voting for the republican? You can't make the case without lying - about their own record as well as their opponent's record. Facts are just troublesome things toa be overcome. Fortunately, they're very comfortable with that.
Originally Posted By dshyates Doug, do all the mantal gymnastics you want, they are quite entertaining. But it plainly says in IL HB 99 that the education is age appropraite. And NOTHING that you say will change that.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder And what makes this all the more sickening is all the Republican smear machine is after is to associate Obama's name and kindergarteners and sex. Obama wants to teach your five year old about sex. He's a pervert. That's the not so subtle message here and it's despicable anyone would try and defend it. It's like the fake furor over the "lipstick on a pig" remark. Anyone with a brain knows Obama was NOT talking about Palin, but he gets accused of attacking her gender. Such bullschlitz, especially when McCain himself used the phrase talking about Clinton. But oh no, you can't unring that bell and the Republicans know it. Absolutely criminal.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh I'll admit that the McCain campaign distorted Sen Obama's record when you guys admit you've been distorting Gov Palin's position on book banning, creationism, abortion, and pork, and that Sen Obama distorted Sen McCain's statement about staying in Iraq for 100 years. Evidently, liberals are very good at distorting the words of conservatives, but whine like babies when it happens to them.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***Sen Obama distorted Sen McCain's statement about staying in Iraq for 100 years.*** How do you distort a statement of fact. McCain clearly says "maybe 100" in response to the question asking if we might be there for 50 years. As to the Palin stuff, no distortions there except possibly on the book banning...but I've not seen any statement from the Obama campaign on that particular issue so unless you can show me one... Wrong, and wrong.
Originally Posted By gadzuux If the democrats are 'distorting' the words of McCain and/or Palin, at least it's based on things they actually have said - and positions they actually have taken. with the lipstick quote, the McCain camp is asserting things obama never said or intended, and it's clear for all to see. That's just flat out lying, and they're being called on it. As to creationism, she's actually said she favors teaching it in the schools - so no misrepresentation there - although I'm glad to see you seem to think it's a problem. On abortion, are you asserting that her position is something other than what she has publicly stated - no exceptions for rape or incest? On pork - are you asserting that she didn't appropriate the funds for the 'bridge to nowhere' for other uses? Or that she sought tens of millions of dollars in earmarks for her tiny little burg? I didn't think so. The jury's out on the book banning thing - we'll see soon enough. With McCain - he said he could see us in iraq for the next hundred years, and to elaborate used korea and germany as examples. Where's the distortion? At some point your statements need to have actual content to back them up for them to have credibility. And you probably think that's an unfair and unreasonable expectation.
Originally Posted By dshyates "I'll admit that the McCain campaign distorted Sen Obama's record when you guys admit you've been distorting Gov Palin's position on book banning, creationism, abortion, and pork, and that Sen Obama distorted Sen McCain's statement about staying in Iraq for 100 years." Book Banning: Sarah Palin never banned any book. Some of the books on the widely circulated "Palin Hit List" weren't even written at the time. Creationism: Sarah Palin never pushed for creationism in school. She said" it has no place in the cirriculum" But she did say that students should be allowed to debate both side iin class. (which I agree with). Abortion: I haven't heard any misrepresent her views which are no abortion unless the life of the mother is in danger. A lot don't like her view, but I haven't seen aany lies about it. Pork: She is the Queen of Pork. The most money per capita in the history of the country. Distort the 100 years: Obama DIDN"T distort it. McCain said it. Obama capitolized on an unfortunate statement. And it wasn't a misstatement either, like Obama's "my muslim faith" comment.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <At some point your statements need to have actual content to back them up for them to have credibility. And you probably think that's an unfair and unreasonable expectation.> No, and I wish you'd live up to it.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <She is the Queen of Pork. The most money per capita in the history of the country.> Please, she cut pork in her state. Senators Obama and Biden continue to vote for more. And yes, Sen Obama distorted the 100 years remark, just as he distorted the $5 million remark. So stop the whining.
Originally Posted By gadzuux Dispute anything I've posted if you wish, but back it up with something of substance - otherwise it's just peeing into the wind.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***just as he distorted the $5 million remark*** Another lie. Nothing to distort, McCain said it (and no, he wasn't joking..that's another GOP lie), and Obama repeated the fact that he said it.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <Dispute anything I've posted if you wish, but back it up with something of substance - otherwise it's just peeing into the wind.> I have and I will.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <Another lie. Nothing to distort, McCain said it (and no, he wasn't joking..that's another GOP lie), and Obama repeated the fact that he said it.> Oh, stop whining.
Originally Posted By gadzuux Whining. Perhaps that's GOP "code" for "I support Phil Gramm" - famous for telling the nation that we're all a bunch of whiners. This, from the guy who was arguably most responsible for the sub-prime bubble in the first place. AND, most responsible for the deregulation that led to enron's bilking the state of california out of billions of dollars before it collapsed due to it's own corruption. And hey - guess what? Gramm's wife was appointed a director for enron. Just another one of those wild GOP coincidences, right?
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh This is where, unable to provide facts, you change the subject and try to smear by association, right?
Originally Posted By Sport Goofy You are in a better position to answer that questions since it's generally the way you operate around here. Why do you do it?
