Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<And the dead horse rides again!!!>> I'm a Spirit, so naturally I ride a dead horse. Trigger ... it's OK, the mean lady wasn't upset with you, just me. I don't care to go into a great debate on bad parenting and what constitutes it. But I'm more than willing to discuss basic decency and how people SHOULD behave in public. Taking babies into movies, plays or Disney boat rides where it is quite expected they will do what babies do is selfish behavior on the part of mommy and daddy. That isn't judgment so much as fact. When your right to take your child wherever you want interferes with everyone else's right to enjoy themselves, you've stepped over the line into boorish behavior. And having a trip on PoC ruined by the smell of baby waste definitely qualifies.
Originally Posted By sherrytodd <<<I guess it is impossible to know unless I knew fully what the situation was, which I don't.>>> That's what's always so fun about these threads.
Originally Posted By jkayjs This thread has gotten so long so I'm not sure and I don't want to go back but wasn't there a mention of flash photo also. The take I got was that the diaper change alone wasn't the issue but coupled with the flash photos painted a picture of inconsiderate guests. Of course I wasn't there so can only take the word of the OP. I too have 30+ years of parenting and am anything but perfect. That being said I do believe that the true tinkle tusnamis and fecal erruptions require immediate disaster relief. But let's face it folks this phenom can not represent even a fraction of the diapers we're seeing change out in plain view. I shouldn't judge anyone unless I was there but as a veteran of many a muddy mess I still would like to see a little more consideration. I personally do not rank that as one of the "magic moments" I go to WDW for. BTW Trippy we too were the take personal responsibility parents. And you're right they do thank you later.
Originally Posted By TALL Disney Guy I wonder if it would be as controversial had a nursing mother been breastfeeding her child on the ride without a cover? <---waits for 100 more posts ;-)
Originally Posted By Sara Tonin I personaly think it's obscene to bottle feed a baby in public. I'd much rather see a mom committed to the best for her child. Okay, dump on me.
Originally Posted By threeundertwo My twins never had a bottle. I never breastfed in public either. My kids were too easily distracted. But I applaud women who do. I've never seen anyone uncovered though.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<I personaly think it's obscene to bottle feed a baby in public. I'd much rather see a mom committed to the best for her child. Okay, dump on me.>> That too depends on the situation. Breast feeding is not the answer for everyone. I wonder if the recent talk about ego nurturing child rearing resulting in narcissistic adults has also produced adults who think their way is the only way. Your way may be right for you but I don’t see how anyone can say it is right for everyone.
Originally Posted By DVC_dad <<< I guess I've found with my 30 years of parenting experience to NEVER judge another parent unless I’ve been in their situation. But maybe that's just me. >>> Fair enough. However I don't believe you that there is NEVER a time where you don't judge another parent. Take for example the parent that is allowing their kids to trample the flowers at the MK, or maybe the parent that is yelling at their kid when it is obvious that both of them have just been in the parks way too long that day, or maybe the parent who lets their kid get lost and has no idea where they went. Or what about the parent that doesn't care what kind of grades their kid makes in school and if the administrator calls, the parent cusses them out and says "mind your own business." And then there is the whole OTHER catgegory, the parent that does something that actually affects YOUR kid. My old neighbor that let my 3 year old wonder off from her house and didn't realize she was missing for over 45 minutes...there are certainly other circumstances that you cannot help but to judge the other parent. While you say you never judge the other parent due to your 30 plus years, I say in my short 12 years of parenting, I never say never.
Originally Posted By DVC_dad That last comment was supposed to have a at the end as I was trying to be sarcastic. ooops
Originally Posted By DVC_dad My wife breastfeeds in public all the time however she always covers the child with a blanket.
Originally Posted By SuperDry <<< The take I got was that the diaper change alone wasn't the issue but coupled with the flash photos painted a picture of inconsiderate guests. >>> The two were independent situations. I included the flash photography bit for humor's sake. Yes, I think flash photography on a dark ride is rude an inconsiderate, but it really doesn't have any bearing on the changing of a baby. <<< << I would probably ask the attendant for the exit, regardless of the wait time.>> OK. That's a reasonable option that I had not thought of. >>> I guess you didn't see what I had suggested in #11: <<< They could have easily told the CM at the loading platform of the situation - I'm sure they would have been excused to the restroom and then allowed to board through the exit without having to wait in line again. >>> This could have easily done this, and it would have reasonably accommodated everyone's interests.
Originally Posted By lilgoofymom We are blessed that we travel in a small pack. Always have. There has always been 5 adults in our group. My parents, my husband,brother & myself take every vacation together. So we were able to take full advantage of the "baby swap" for rides when our daughter was a baby or was to small for the rides. She was fed, napped, dry and comfortable at most all times. Now I will be the first to admit Me & my family are blessed to have that ability to keep most everyone happy. Strangers did not have to listen to her scream because of a dirty diaper or hunger or from being sleepy and it gave each of us the chance to rest with the baby. Not everyone has that blessing though. As far as the breast feeding goes as long as Mom is not putting on a "show" I have no problem with that. She is doing what is best for her child.
Originally Posted By Labuda Sherry - your DS was ADORABLE at age 2 - I'm so very glad you have that video to sherish forever.
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy >> I eagerly await your answers. << "If you can't say something good about someone...." "Don't say anything at all." -- Thumper
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<Fair enough. However I don't believe you that there is NEVER a time where you don't judge another parent. >> You are of course correct. I should have said I don't believe in judging unless you have been in their situation OR the behavior is so egregious that there could be no justification. I have seen many events at Disney World where I have judged the parents to be wrong. Among these were a time when a parent slapped a young child (about 2-3) in the face hard, and when a couple was sitting at the pool bar at the All Star Music getting absolutely stinking drunk in front of their teen and pre-teen kids. It wasn't too hard to make a judgment in either case. There is NO situation which would justify those actions.
Originally Posted By gaston lives To say taht a parent is selfish and boorish because they have children that cuold interfere with YOUR vacation is inconsiderate and boorish on your part. What give you or anybody the right to say who can go to the parks? If I want to go with my kids, then I'll go with my kids. If you want to tell people when they should be allowed to go, then you need to be prepared for other people to tell you when and WHERE you can go, if you follow me. Freedom is for all, not just those who think it applies ONLY to them.
Originally Posted By TALL Disney Guy I can understand his viewpoint. If you shell out big bucks for a wonderful, fun, relaxing trip, the last thing you want is crying, screaming babies dampening your experience. It's kind of like that 1st class passenger who had that corpse sat next to him on his flight---it was unusual circumstances, yes, but businesswise, he did not get the experience he paid for.
