Originally Posted By trekkeruss Please, enough of the hyperbole. The Tiki Room is intact, and I wasn't calling for it to be changed. Anyway, I would definitely argue that "millions" of people get the charm of the show. It may have been that way in the past, but not really anymore. If it was still as charming as you say, every show would be packed. That hasn't been my experience.
Originally Posted By oc_dean ^^^^ Believe what you want. But I don't agree with your assessment on that, at all. That's all.
Originally Posted By trekkeruss I'm not saying no one enjoys it, nor am I "ruining it" for you, because I am not. But the reality is, it's not as popular as you think it is.
Originally Posted By oc_dean I haven't exactly outlined the "Perfect Tiki Room meter" of them all. But what I am saying .. it's not as unpopular .. as you are making it out to be.
Originally Posted By oc_dean Putting our disagreement to the side ..... While Walt most likely would have updated the show himself .. had he lived longer .... I look back at some of Disney's musical works from Kitchen Caberat to the present .... I just don't see ANY memorable works that are as great as the Sherman Brothers. Until Disney can produce a show with songs that are just as good as the original 1963 show .... they best leave the original alone.
Originally Posted By trekkeruss IMO, he wouldn't have updated it, he would have ripped it out altogether. Kitchen Kaberet was a GREAT show. I'd rather see that than the Tiki Room.
Originally Posted By oc_dean The first time I saw Kitchen Kaberet... My jaw dropped ... but it wasn't exactly an emotion of "awe". The second show was even worse. I'm not sad Soarin' took it's spot! There was nothing memorable about those tunes at all. First or second show. Disney hit a gold mine with the very talented Sherman Bros. They haven't had anything as good since them! For Disney theme park attractions that is. Now, of course, Ashman and Menken are another story from their animated film works ... But with the loss of one them, that era is gone. Disney would have to hire the best talent out there to create a replacement show for 'tiki room'. Unfortunately .. they would hire someone mediocre .. and give us a mediocre show. (Cough WDW-TDL shows - cough) If someone could create music as good as the "Soarin'" theme or "Fantasmic" that would be nice. But would they spend the money on the RIGHT talent? I'm rather pessimistic on this.
Originally Posted By trekkeruss <<The first time I saw Kitchen Kaberet...My jaw dropped ... but it wasn't exactly an emotion of "awe"....There was nothing memorable about those tunes at all.>> I've seen more than a few fans here on this very forum talk about "Veggie Veggie Fruit Fruit" in a very nostalgic way, so to say the songs were not memorable is incorrect.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 I thought the first version had clever songs. Not Sherman Bros-quality "sing 'em leaving the theatre" good, but clever. Second version not so much.
Originally Posted By oc_dean >>so to say the songs were not memorable is incorrect.<< Well ... LOL it's not incorrect when I tell you of MY experience (even though it does not count) that I didn't leave the Land Pavilion with a memory of the songs.
Originally Posted By oc_dean I can remember a Rogers and Hammerstein tune ... I can remember a classic Sherman Bros. tune .. Andrew Loyd Webber, etc ... I even remember "O'Canada" (met the composer of the song through the NFFC .. and the original "Imagination" song to Journey Into Imagination. Sadly ... I forgot the songs in Kitchen Kaberet the moment I left the theater.
Originally Posted By Bellella What in the heck is Kitchen Kabaret? And may the Tiki Room never change.
Originally Posted By trekkeruss <<it's not incorrect when I tell you of MY experience (even though it does not count) that I didn't leave the Land Pavilion with a memory of the songs.>> If you can discount my experience with crowds or lack thereof in the Tiki Room, I can discount your experience remembering Kitchen Kabaret. It only takes a second to do a Google on KK and see that plenty of have just as much fondness for that show as you do for the Tiki Room.
Originally Posted By oc_dean Trek .. no,no ... if I was trying to discount YOUR experience .. then you have every right to take me to task. .. I thought we two are just playing the "general" game card here. If you think Tiki Room sucks .. that's okay with me. It's when we start throwing around ... "PEOPLE don't like this .. PEOPLE don't like that" thing. When I COLLECTIVELY pull my memories, general info, personal experience, etc .. into a "whole" .... I have NEVER seen the Tiki room as something that has become passé. Far from it. From my EDUCATED perspective, that is.
Originally Posted By Pollyana Personally, I like the Tiki room for it's nostalgia factor alone. But my hubby calls it the Sleepy Room....
Originally Posted By Sara Tonin Tiki Room is my favorite last attraction of the day...gives you something to hum all the way home.
Originally Posted By Bellella All the songs are great, but the best one(to me) is the Hawaiian chant sung by the flowers. Beautiful!
