Originally Posted By kennect Spirit, Is there any talk of getting something going on the water at DAK? Anything would be better than nothing....When I say anything I am referring to something else than a stray gator or two....
Originally Posted By Mr X >>As Dan Young said, hype can give an attraction lines for a short period. Over the long run it become popular (or unpopular) based on guest experience. To claim that most people boarding Test Track have no idea what the ride is like is totally ludicrous.<< I agree with RoadTrip on this one. A perfect example would be Alien Encounter (because I was around quite a bit the year it opened and the next year)... The first summer, the lines were CRAZY for that attraction, always stretching far around the building and looping around in the back...almost always 45-60 minute waits. After that, nothing. A walk-on almost always. Same thing with Honey I Shrunk the Audience at Epcot back around that same time. It was really, REALLY busy for a short time, then nothin. So yes, new attractions "good or bad" usually get a lot of hype and interest early on, but the real test is a year or two later when people have heard about it and/or already checked it out. As for the cars zipping around, I think it's fair to say that DOES have something to do with the long lines. It's just like how people head for the tallest coaster in any regular amusement park...what else in future world has something on the outside to really catch people's attention?
Originally Posted By FerretAfros Not to beat a dead horse, but I would just like to point out that the lines for Stitch's Great Escape and Monsters Inc Laugh Floor were never particularly long. Stitch was around 30 minutes for about a month, but quickly settled. Did Monsters Inc ever get a line? And for the cars bringing people in, they do the exact same thing at Alice in Wonderland in DL. The attraction really isn't anything special, but it always has one of the longer lines in Fantasyland. It's the old principle of having a weenie to pull people into an area. Old trick, but if it works, why not use it?
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<Spirit, Is there any talk of getting something going on the water at DAK? Anything would be better than nothing....When I say anything I am referring to something else than a stray gator or two....>> Not that I'm currently aware of. The big next thing for DAK is the Rivers of Light parade (don't let the name fool you, this won't be on water) that Steve Davison is helming and should debut and be terrific (as all his projects tend to be) in the spring. But Joe Rohde ALWAYS has a couple of aces up his sleeve, so who knows? A lot of folks don't believe DAK will get another major addition soon with EE and Nemo recently added ... I wouldn't believe that I can say, Joe was never happy that his Discovery River Boats were trashed as Radio Disney for one forgettable summer and then disappeared.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<Not to beat a dead horse, but I would just like to point out that the lines for Stitch's Great Escape and Monsters Inc Laugh Floor were never particularly long. Stitch was around 30 minutes for about a month, but quickly settled. Did Monsters Inc ever get a line?>> Monsters more often than not has days where it pulls in fewer guests than Timekeeper (when it was open regularly and appeared in park guidemaps) did. And I never have seen a sizeable wait for Stitch's Great Belchoff yet. <<And for the cars bringing people in, they do the exact same thing at Alice in Wonderland in DL. The attraction really isn't anything special, but it always has one of the longer lines in Fantasyland. It's the old principle of having a weenie to pull people into an area. Old trick, but if it works, why not use it?>> Some of us actually prefer Alice at DL to TT ...
Originally Posted By FerretAfros I prefer Alice. I didn't mean that it wasn't a good ride by any means, but there is just very little (other than the outdoor section) that makes it any different than the rest of the FL darkrides, yet it often has a queue that could rival Peter Pan.
Originally Posted By mousermerf Revelation: You know how we've mentioned in discussion that people who came to WDW and Epcot after the wand was erected are the ones who are sad to see it go? Brad Rex did not come to Epcot until after the wand was already up. Now he's gone and it's suddenyl going down.. I think it all make so much sense..
Originally Posted By Labuda "The queue for Soarin' was so bad they barely got it opened before they had to rebuild it." How was the queue for Soarin' rebuilt? I rode Soarin' on May 5 or 6, 2005 - either the day it officially opened or the day after that - and I ghhave no recollections of it being any different then than it is now...
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost >>>You know how we've mentioned in discussion that people who came to WDW and Epcot after the wand was erected are the ones who are sad to see it go?<<< I guess that is true but I went to Epcot or EPCOT Ctr., whichever you prefer for 17 years before the wand went up. I didn't mind it and I think I saw the positive part of it. The link with the rest of WDW. So even though I am not about to cry in my soup because it is coming down, I always thought it was a cute addition. What I hated, since day one, were the stars sitting on the top of SSE. In my opinion, you can put something along side SSE without taking from it's regal appearance but you cannot place a bunch of glittery stars on it and not cheapen the architecture. Small point, perhaps, but just the way I have felt since it first appeared. I also hated the little skinny numbers in the 2000 sign but felt that when the name Epcot replaced it, it was much better. I'll bet now that we will get a sign designed and produced by the youngsters in Kidscot. It will be a large piece of brown cardboard with crayon letters that say 3pcot (backwards E, in case you didn't get that) duct taped to the front of SSE like on a refrigerator door. This will be to show how kid friendly the park is. Maybe a couple little drawings of Nemo scattered about, as well!
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost Apologies to all those that paid hard earned money out to have there unrecognizable pictures placed on the graveyard out front but can that go too? Please??
Originally Posted By twirlnhurl Did Monsters Inc ever get a line? It seems like every time I've seen it, the line is just about the amount that can fit in one show. If you get there right after they stop letting guests in, you can walk all the way to the doors, and if you get in line right before they open, you will be standing outside.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> They still pay a premium at WDW because they, ostensibly, are getting that kind of product. Now, I can make convincing arguments both ways as to whether that is true or not. But the fact is that in 1987, there was no debating what Disney quality was all about. << There's no debating that with you from me. >> Apologies to all those that paid hard earned money out to have there unrecognizable pictures placed on the graveyard out front but can that go too? Please?? << I've heard two different versions. That it is due to relocate sometime next year, and that it's not going anywhere. The only thing I can speculate on is the massive amount of work taking place in, and around SSE. This leads me to believe LaL will be relocated, and the rear area will be redesigned. It just makes since, at least to me.
Originally Posted By TMICHAEL Just a thought but why don't they take the wand over to MGM? Isn't it feasible to move the BAH to the entrance of the Animation courtyard and add the wand next to it? If I'm not mistaken they are pretty close to the same scale, and BAM! you have your new park ICON, Mickey Wand and Sorcerer's Hat. Only now it's not blocking the beautifully realized Hollywood 'Main' Street ending at the Graumans facade.
Originally Posted By mickey_ring hmmm... add the Wand to Fantasmic in one of the Mickey nightmare scenes! All the characters could come out and battle it.
Originally Posted By bayrr326 "The queue for Soarin' was so bad they barely got it opened before they had to rebuild it." "How was the queue for Soarin' rebuilt? I rode Soarin' on May 5 or 6, 2005 - either the day it officially opened or the day after that - and I ghhave no recollections of it being any different then than it is now..." They added some interactive screens to entertain people waiting forever in the standby line. Well, they wouldn't have needed that if they would have built 3 theaters instead of 2. That and they would never need to shut down the ride for rehab since they could work on one theater at a time in the off season. It is obvious by the lines and how early fast pass sell out for this ride that they should have added a third theater when they built it.
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost Based on the overwhelming negative response that they have received on new stuff lately, MS for example, I am sure that they didn't foresee that popularity of Soarin' at the time of construction. I'm sure it would have required more space for additional theaters and based on the steady but not overwhelming ridership in California they had no reason to jump to the conclusion that this was going to be a blockbuster on the east coast. Maybe at some point they will do a rehab and add something, until then I guess we just have to put up with the lines.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA Sorry if this is already mentioned on another thread, but I couldn't find it. Are the interior show scenes going to be upgraded or changed inside Spaceship Earth?
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 Yes, Jim. They will be. From what I understand, the whole final third of the attraction will be new and other scenes will be plussed/changed.
