Originally Posted By crapshoot <<How many specifically because they want to see the dinosaurs? I'm guessing less than half.>> Agreed. I liken it to the Sleeping Beauty walkthrough. My guess would be that less than 10% of those who pass through the castle have any desire to see the walkthrough attraction. Steam railroads and fanciful castles are enough of a draw on their own right. Look how many years the guts of the Materhorn had no theming or story. Nobody needed to cut a hole in Splash Mountain in order to see the finale from the train. Kind of a 2fer. How about the Speeeeeeeed Tunnel on People Mover? What's my point? None really, other than plusses in the park do exist for better or for worse. Now if they took out both the Grand Canyon and Dinos and replaced it with nice display windows of what the World of Disney Store was featuring . . .
Originally Posted By Princessjenn5795 Actually, while the majority of adults may not ride the train to see the dinos, I would be willing to bet, based on my kids, that most of the kids like riding the train to see the dinosaurs. I have an eight year old boy who loves the dinos and we have to see them every trip. There are thousands of boys his age who visit DL each year...they don't see outdated or old, they just see cool dinosaurs.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "What's my point? None really, other than plusses in the park do exist for better or for worse." No argument from me there. I simply stated the fact that it's not a significant draw, and therefore it hasn't warranted any major effort from DLR management to update it. I do sense some sensitivity from some people here (not necessarily you Crapshoot) in regard to updating the dino diorama, or anything at DLR for that matter. The dino diorama is terribly dated both from a scientific and technological standpoint and it would be hard to make a case that it ought to stay exactly as it is for the sake of nostalgia. "There are thousands of boys his age who visit DL each year...they don't see outdated or old, they just see cool dinosaurs." That's because kids have limited knowledge about what's possible in theme park design. Imagine how cool those boys (and their parents!) would think the show was if it were updated with modern lighting, sound, effects, and more sophisticated AAs.
Originally Posted By tashajilek "That's because kids have limited knowledge about what's possible in theme park design. Imagine how cool those boys (and their parents!) would think the show was if it were updated with modern lighting, sound, effects, and more sophisticated AAs. " So true. If they updated everything it would look way better. I do a round trip from Mainstreet just to see the dino's.
Originally Posted By Longhorn12 >That's because kids have limited knowledge about what's possible in theme park design. Imagine how cool those boys (and their parents!) would think the show was if it were updated with modern lighting, sound, effects, and more sophisticated AAs. < I think you severely underestimate the knowledge of little boys when it comes to Dinosaurs. I knew at 4 they weren't scientifically accurate, but they were still cool. That being said an update would be awesome. >I do a round trip from Mainstreet just to see the dino's.< Me and my brother always did. We were both saddened by the fact they didn't have it at WDW
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt >That's because kids have limited knowledge about what's possible in theme park design. Imagine how cool those boys (and their parents!) would think the show was if it were updated with modern lighting, sound, effects, and more sophisticated AAs. < "I think you severely underestimate the knowledge of little boys when it comes to Dinosaurs." Haha... yes, I probably am underestimating. I guess my point is that it doesn't take much to amaze children and that they'd most likely be just has thrilled with an updated experience.
Originally Posted By fkurucz >>It probably doesn't, however following your argument "the sharp pencil boys" could save money by cutting the maintenance budget and letting it fall into disrepair like they've allowed other things to do over the years.<< Perhaps the exit costs are greater than what it costs to keep them running? Who knows? But I really doubt they will ever be updated. I really wouldn't be surprised if they have the same clunkers running 50 years from now.
Originally Posted By fkurucz >>How many specifically because they want to see the dinosaurs? I'm guessing less than half.<< When I ride the train I get the impression that most people ride it to get around the park while resting their feet. I know I have.
Originally Posted By alphabetmom I love the dinorama, I do love that it is old and only had maintence done. Leaving it gives the younger generations more of an appreciation of how far technology has advanced.
Originally Posted By fkurucz >>Now if they took out both the Grand Canyon and Dinos and replaced it with nice display windows of what the World of Disney Store was featuring . . .<< Don't give them any ideas ... some finance guy might run with it.
Originally Posted By fkurucz >>I love the dinorama, I do love that it is old and only had maintence done. Leaving it gives the younger generations more of an appreciation of how far technology has advanced.<< If you can get them to put down their iPhones.
Originally Posted By Princessjenn5795 <<"I think you severely underestimate the knowledge of little boys when it comes to Dinosaurs.">> Oh, my son knows (and tells us each time) about what isn't right but it is dinosaurs and so he loves it. He would love an updated version too, no doubt about it, but the inaccuracies don't bother him. He just thinks it's cool.
Originally Posted By Brian55nh <<Oh, my son knows(and tells us each time) about what isn't right...>> Just out of curiosity, does he tell you that what we are seeing at the very beginning of the Primeval World diorama(the part that's got that darkish jungle of exotic plants and features a pair of fin-backed creatures - called Edaphosaurus btw) doesn't actually have anything at all to do with dinosaurs? It actually represents a much earlier period of time called the Carboniferous (from which we get much of our coal) and those two critters are actually more closely related to mammals than any dinosaur. If he hasn't, now you can wow him with your knowledge...
Originally Posted By DlandDug >>I noticed last time I rode, they had removed the tradactyl (sp) that was next to the window.<< That pteranodon (to use its proper name) is removed from time to time for maintenance, and has always been returned.
Originally Posted By DlandDug Pteranodon: <a href="http://blog.everythingdinosaur.co.uk/big_pteranodon.jpg" target="_blank">http://blog.everythingdinosaur...odon.jpg</a> Pterodactyl: <a href="http://www.dailygalaxy.com/photos/uncategorized/2008/02/12/pterodactyl_2.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.dailygalaxy.com/pho...yl_2.jpg</a> See the difference...?
Originally Posted By hbquikcomjamesl I meant that I have a vague recollection of changes to the color schemes, apparently based on more recent (and more informed) conjectures of what they actually looked like. Not much of an update, to be sure, but an update nonetheless. Have you noticed that after it was finally determined, fairly conclusively, that dinosaurs were primitive birds, the herpetologists couldn't let go of them, and decided that birds must therefore have to be an advanced sort of reptile? Almost as stupid as the whole "reclassification of Pluto" nonsense.
Originally Posted By Longhorn12 >decided that birds must therefore have to be an advanced sort of reptile?< ... If they descend from reptiles then they are "advanced reptiles" as you just answered in your own post. That doesn't mean they can't be re-classified.
Originally Posted By fkurucz I believe that the currently correct term for winged "dinosaurs" is "Pterosaur" (technically pterosaurs are not dinosaurs)
Originally Posted By Princessjenn5795 "Just out of curiosity, does he tell you that what we are seeing at the very beginning of the Primeval World diorama(the part that's got that darkish jungle of exotic plants and features a pair of fin-backed creatures - called Edaphosaurus btw) doesn't actually have anything at all to do with dinosaurs? It actually represents a much earlier period of time called the Carboniferous (from which we get much of our coal) and those two critters are actually more closely related to mammals than any dinosaur. If he hasn't, now you can wow him with your knowledge..." I'll have to break that one out next time, he hasn't mentioned that one. He will be quite impressed that Mom now knows something about dinos that he doesn't...that is a pretty rare event
