Originally Posted By Mickeymouseclub I just returned from WDW tonight and walked thru the Interactive Q today. I will say it might be less garish at nightime,hopefully. More important ? to DIsney ...Did it not occur to you that the new overhead mesh screening used as a ceiling makes the portion in the old line look really filthy as if it has never been cleaned even tho it has heat lamps or fans that are not functioning at all. SO it is only March and the crowd congestion and concrete and no breeze or natural air flow made it really HOT. Could you not figure out some overhead fans would have been a pleasant addition for your guests that you seem to care so much about entertaining.!!!. The Q forces us all to congest into a corner and the cast members constantly telling us to move forward all the way. But hey Disney wanted to spend money once again in a not so intelligent way. No fun today Good luck in August.
Originally Posted By Mickeymouseclub I am also sad to say Disney is probably correct in attempting to address this problem I have never ever seen such long waits and long lines in every ride just taking over the walkways even,not just the really popular attractions but everything. And Fastpasses gone by 10a.m. and the single rider lines really long. Funny tho everybody I talked to in lines or on the transportation choices all agreed they were still having fun and just accepted this as part of the package. I felt the same way too. I had fun and just happy to be there. Can't really explain it...Just the way it is now.
Originally Posted By Mickeymouseclub Oh yeah a little extra secret...I did not have time to ride the HM I just wanted to see the new Q so I had to walk into the HM and exit immediately. I was surprised to find a row of servants bells that I just had to tinkle them and got "caught by the cast members coming in that way..I was embarrassed and laughed as I admit my guilt that I just could not resist!
Originally Posted By Mickeymouseclub So in reality I had more fun in the emergency exit than the new expensive interactive Q.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan There is also an important, major difference between the original Disneyland and all that followed. Disneyland was, by and large, under the direct supervision of Walt himself. And his reason for building Disneyland was about much more than just a way to generate revenue. Yes, yes, he didn't want to go broke on the place and he wanted it filled with happy paying customers. But that was almost a means to an end -- a way to finance the NEXT big thing, the NEXT cool idea. Not groundbreaking? Just filling a need? No way. This noodling around with the queue for a 40 year old attraction, it's a little sad in a way. It isn't detail oriented thinking, it's small thinking. I like it better when Disney goes big.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "This noodling around with the queue for a 40 year old attraction, it's a little sad in a way. It isn't detail oriented thinking, it's small thinking." Whether it suits each and everyone's personal tastes or not wouldn't this be considered "plussing"?
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost ^^^^Why yes...yes it is considered "plussing". Who wants to plus something when it can just as easily stay the same old stale nothing it previously was. The cheapest why for Disney to go is to not spend any money on anything. Send someone in to dust it occasionally (oh, wait. HM can't be dusted, just re-dusted) and just leave it alone. Remember HM was one of Walt's original ideas and we all know he never would have changed anything no matter how much it needed it, would he?
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>It basically says 'we can't entertain you enough with our product, so here's something you and your brats can touch and play with until it falls apart, which likely will be sooner rather than later'.<<< But Spirit.. This IS their product. This is seemingly all they know how to do. Cheap gags, rehashes of old ideas, and in that, annoyance. Why trust them to put on a new show when all they do is ruin old ones?
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<Remember HM was one of Walt's original ideas and we all know he never would have changed anything no matter how much it needed it, would he?>> Remember when it really wasn't one of Walt's original ideas?
Originally Posted By Tony C I know he was talking about Disneyland but didn't Walt say "It will continue to grow as long as there is imagination left in the world." You could apply the same to Disney World
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper ^^^Right, and that's not what I'm arguing against. Changing things is cool. It's awesome. Innovation is why I love theme parks. But when the change contradicts the flow of the attraction, or just doesn't fit with the feel, it sure ain't cool.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>Changing things is cool. It's awesome. Innovation is why I love theme parks<<< Exactly. But, honestly, in this climate, I don't trust WDI too much with changing things, as it seemingly always leads to disaster.
Originally Posted By wahooskipper I liked the addition of Sparrow in Pirates and those are some of the best looking animatronics they ever created.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<I liked the addition of Sparrow in Pirates and those are some of the best looking animatronics they ever created.>> I'm indifferent towards that addition. The AAs do look great, but I'm not a fan about how the ride is about him now.
Originally Posted By wahooskipper The ride is about him now? Well, he is a pirate...and the ride is about Pirates....of the Caribbean...which he protrayed in the movie that was based off the ride. It seems like there is a pretty seamless connection between the ride and the movie. Now, if they tried to put Eddie Murphy in the Haunted Mansion I might be more inclined to criticize.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>Who wants to plus something when it can just as easily stay the same old stale nothing it previously was. << LOL, you know, this is the thing that gets old. I don't see anyone here saying that the place should become a museum where nothing is changed. And yet, this straw man is thrown out there as a way to completely dismiss criticism of the way the new queue is done. For 200+ posts people have said there are ways to make the queue more interesting while maintaining the sense of mystery and foreboding. Making a Toontown Cemetery just doesn't offer that. So to be ultra clear: 1. Plussing an attraction/queue: Great! 2. Doing so in a way that screws up the intended vibe: Sucks!
Originally Posted By leobloom >> The ride is about him now? Well, he is a pirate...and the ride is about Pirates....of the Caribbean...which he protrayed in the movie that was based off the ride. It seems like there is a pretty seamless connection between the ride and the movie. << What an incestuous ride it's become.
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost Well you guys have it arms and legs over me because other than the bride and Mr. Gracie (sp?) I never saw any flow. It always seemed to me to be a continuous series of "gags" concerning a haunted build occupied by "ghosts". I haven't seen the new "Q" area other than in pictures, but I fail to see how it is not in keeping with the "spirit" hee, hee, of the show. It is something to keep folks amused before they go into the building to be amused some more. The outside things seem perfectly in harmony with what is going on inside. So what I am saying is that, I don't understand what would ruin a ride about dead folks, fictitious dead folks at that. But like many who are so strongly against it, I have not seen it yet so I must reserve judgment, but I am not ready to condemn it until I do. And then I will agree that it is awful so I can still be part of the group. I just want to roll with the popular kids. ;-)
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>I don't understand what would ruin a ride about dead folks, fictitious dead folks at that<< If you add something that distracts from the ambience and mood that was carefully designed into the place, that's a start. The queue always featured a bit of dark humor in the form of the funny epitaphs on the tombstones. But still, it maintained the look of a cemetery, the humor understated. Monuments built to look like sea captains in bathtubs tilts the meter into something cartoony. Having water slosh out of the tub and splash people makes it all the more over the top. Compare that with Disneyland's Indiana Jones queue. Outside the temple, a generator chucks along. The worklights at the dig pulse brighter or dimmer, enhancing the effect. Inside the temple, the sounds of bats skittering along in dark crevices can be heard. There was a place where guests could push a bamboo support pole and, like in the Indy movies, the ceiling would start to lower -- an ancient trap! (It hasn't worked on many of the times I have visited, which is another problem when they add these sorts of things -- they're a maintenance nightmare and often are simply deactivated.) A "vintage" newsreel tells of Indiana Jones' latest discovery, while instructing visitors about the mythology of not looking into the eyes of the idol. These elements work in service of the overall story, enhancing the experience, not distracting from it. The same could be done with the Mansion. It could be cool and interactive while not going cartoony and over the top. In fact, those tombstones look really good, and would be a nice "plus" in the final graveyard scene. But out in front, in broad daylight, they are too much.
