Originally Posted By Goofyernmost Re: Pirates! The only thing that adding Jack to the ride did was to bring it into current times as far as relevancy is concerned. Try and remember that anyone that is under 45 years old has no emotional connection with Walt Disney. He is a name on the resort and a statute in MK. Anyway, it didn't harm the ride. For the most part didn't change anything or alter the atmosphere, it just made it more enjoyable to the "younger" folk that don't just look at it as a relic of days gone by. I know I'm not the same as I was 45 years ago and I don't expect or necessarily want everything around me to be frozen in time.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<Anyway, it didn't harm the ride. For the most part didn't change anything or alter the atmosphere>> I'd greatly disagree with that, and some other things you said before. <<I don't expect or necessarily want everything around me to be frozen in time.>> No one does.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper ^^^I didn't mean to have "Harm the ride" in there. Just the second half of the first piece I quoted.
Originally Posted By Tony C <<Try and remember that anyone that is under 45 years old has no emotional connection with Walt Disney. >> I don't think that's completely true. My grandfather died before I was born and my grandmother died three months after I was born and I still have an emotional connection to them.
Originally Posted By Mickeymouseclub On Tuesday the majority of guests were avoiding the new Q and choosing to entertain themselves (just my observation). Did I mention it was really hot in the final dead end of the line? I think some overhead fans should have been an important improvement in that dead end with no airflow no breeze and scorching hot Florida sun in the middle of March.Oh well thanks Disney I guess imagineering the ride on a computer does not factor in the wait time in the hot sun.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>I don't expect or necessarily want everything around me to be frozen in time.<< For about the 50th time, no one is asking for that. But changes should be implemented with good design/thematic taste.
Originally Posted By HMButler79 ""IMHO the MK is more of a "kid's park"... a parent should be able to take a child on any ride without being worried about them being scared to death."" Another ignorant comment. Anyone who knows the history of teh Company knows that from 1923-1995, NOTHING was sugercoated. It's only been in the past 15yrs that Disney has completyly surrendered and bent over to emotionally fragile 6yos and thier Midwestern parents. The original Snow White's from DL and MK are still remembered famously as one of THE MOST terrifying experiences in a Disney park. The Imagineers understood that scary is a part of life. RT have you taken your kids to DL or DLP? They wouldn't last 2sec.
Originally Posted By Tony C <<It's only been in the past 15yrs that Disney has completyly surrendered and bent over to emotionally fragile 6yos and thier Midwestern parents.>> Yes we're a fragile bunch here in the Midwest.
Originally Posted By Mickeymouseclub I'm from Missouri the Show Me State Right in the middle of the 48 Missouri mules are famous and strong... We had to learn that in school
Originally Posted By Mickeymouseclub Which reminds me At the Flag Ceremony on MAin Sreet USA...why was I amazed and brought to tears to hear a very young child recite the Pledge of Allegiance with his tiny little hand on his heart and with his tiny voice echoing over the loud speakers.?.
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost With all due respect, Tony...unless your Grandfathers name was Walter and your Grandmothers was Lillie, I don't think it is the same thing. Family is one thing, theme park builders are another. (yes, before everyone gets their respective knickers in a knot...I know he was more then a theme park builder, but that is because I was around to see him on TV and spend time with his imagination in the moment.) >>>For about the 50th time, no one is asking for that. But changes should be implemented with good design/thematic taste.<<< And for the 50th time, I fail to see why updating to something that the majority can relate too, is not good design/thematic taste. They didn't rip out the set and make the pirates drink tea with pinky's extended. Political Correctness took care of some of those little issues years ago. (as in who's chasing whom) Where was the protesting then? Personally I think that the movie actually enhanced the ride. It's easier now to see where it all came from, in that sense. Keeping history is good, but when you can combine history with the current in a seamless manner, that's even better.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<Another ignorant comment.>> YOUR ignorance is exceeded only by your arrogance. Sorry, but the Magic Kingdom has ALWAYS been sugar-coated. Alien Encounter was the first truly scary ride ever. Sure the witch pops out a lot in Snow White, but that doesn't come close to the fear generated by Alien Encounter.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>Alien Encounter was the first truly scary ride ever.<< Tower of Terror? My son was so frightened by the CGI snake in Honey I Shrunk the Audience that he leapt out of his seat into my arms and we had to leave the theater. Scary varies.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip I specified Magic Kingdom, not all of WDW. In fact I said in my initial post that I thought Alien Encounter would be a GREAT ride for the Studios.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 I like the Jack Sparrow enhancements and while I do think they've had some impact ( not complete change) to the character of the ride- they work in a way to make pirates more personal to a whole new generation of attendees. While as a kid the wild west and pirates and such were major parts of a kids imagination ( based upon the fact that kids read more - even if the reading was cominc books)- today having raised two kids (16 and 26) - I daresay their imaginations were never lost in the same things. Frontierland means a lot less to them-- I remember shoot outs with Black Bart (name?) at DL when I was very young and cowboys and Indians were so real to me. Today' technology has changed all that - LCD dirty flying birds and such has replaced much of the fantasy that seemed like it could still be real in some far off land. The world is much smaller and demystified for kids today so giving them a Jack SParrow to relate to that they have seen in the movies works for me. It does not change how I view the ride at all- and if it makes my kids ( and other kids and younger adults) appreciate it more so that it never goes away - hurrah for that ! In a day when people are proposing changing the verbiage in literary classics so as not to potentially upset someone -- changes like Jack Sparrow additions are very minute IMHO
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>Where was the protesting then?<< There was plenty of it. >>when you can combine history with the current in a seamless manner, that's even better.<< Right. Which is why I think the new Pirates works, while the new Mansion queue stuff does not. You keep trying to make this about people being against all change vs. people who know that Disney parks have to change. And that isn't at all what anyone's saying. It's a straw man argument.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 I think if the stuff was 'inside' the ride I'd be more skeptical- but let's face it, exactly how much ambience it is ruining outside when you are standing there listening to a wolf howl right after the steamboat passing you by blows it's horn ? And you have the option to skip that queue. I have much more concern over the hitchhiking ghost issue than a queue that likely will entertain a lot of kids and is nowhere to be seen once I am let in by my HM host.
Originally Posted By HMButler79 RT- WOW, so your saying that there was nothign subversive in any MK? Get your head out of your grade A pixie dust bowl.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<RT- WOW, so your saying that there was nothign subversive in any MK? Get your head out of your grade A pixie dust bowl.> Go ahead. Tell me what was 'subversive' in the MK... and I'm talking about WDW here. I have no idea what Disneyland was like in the early years.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 subversive - literally ? please share as I am really curious to hear this.
