Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>I really wish people would lighten up about changes and just enjoy something new? The queue is really kind of fun.<<< Sure, it is, but what about the thematic integrity of the queue. What about the "story" and lead up? And even if you argue that there IS no story and no plot (which there isn't...) It's not about the "story" in ANY way. I agree with you that there is no REAL story. It's merely a progression of thematic events, that you are privy to. The real issue is the fact that it's out of place, and ruins the mood and pacing of the attraction. It's unnecessary, out of place, and tacky. The Mansion starts of with Claud Coats' moody and subtle and DARK opening and setting. It's wry, and sinister humor. It's wit. We read the epitaphs. We see the looming Mansion, it's angles and features cutting a foreboding figure. We see the unsettling transformations in the Stretching Rooms and do double takes at busts that we THINK are looking at us. The first part of the ride is a psychological thrill more than a show. It's based wholly on what YOU THINK YOU SEE. Later, is when we see the zany fun of Marc Davis' spooks and haunts. Now.. With that said.. Do you really think the loud noices, the incredulous gags, and the sheer humor fit into the brooding atmosphere of the first, Claud Coats part of the Mansion? Queue or not, fake story or not, this is a issue in thematics. The queue now clashes with that. I don't know... ...it's akin to topping Spaceship Earth with a wand, and Hollywood Blvd with a BAH. Not needed, clashes with existing mood and placemaking, fails at bringing a more cohesive environment and believable illusion to WDW.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>"Oh, no! Not at all. LOL. I like Constance. The poster, that is. *waves*" *fist bump*<<<
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo FWIW, these tomb stones remind me of the ones in the Addams Family movies, and that is in a good way. If there was not spraying water, I would even be inclined to support their usage.
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost If humor and a lack of foreboding isn't part of the show...could you explain the stretching room and the pictures therein. Seems a little jocular to me! Funny followed by scary...perfect combination and also psychologically known, I believe, as comic relief. Pretty common stuff and quite appropriate in and around HM. Again though...I have not seen it in person so you all might be correct, but from what I have seen it seems much ado about nothing.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>The wand is not on trial here!<< It might as well be... Same concepts.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>If humor and a lack of foreboding isn't part of the show...could you explain the stretching room and the pictures therein. Seems a little jocular to me! Funny followed by scary...perfect combination and also psychologically known, I believe, as comic relief. Pretty common stuff and quite appropriate in and around HM.<<<< Sure. The point of the Stretching Room is a psychological thrill. It's something that spooks you because it's an illusion. Your brain does a double take at the effect. The fact that the double take is only compounded buy the portraits makes the effects all the more convincing. A story, a dark, and sinister story is being told through imagery that's amusing, and slightly humorous. The antithesis of this is disquieting. It might be funny.. but.. These people are going to die! It's a very odd mood. You can't actually crack up hysterically at them, but there is a tone of humor. The queue, on the other hand, doesn't do that. It's just noise and effect. There's no brooding doom, or sense of disquiet. I mean, what is threatening in the queue to compare to the impending doom of the portraits?
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer BTW, I should note...the old queue has a sense of doom, too. the house looms over you, Leota blinks at you (Did you REALLY!? just see that?!), the CMs are hostile. It's SUBTLE.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer And to add to that.., That OLD subtly is the magic of Disney. Creating mood and feeling out of setting. The new queue is too heavy handed to accomplish that. But not to ramble.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan Like a good movie, the ideal queue should provide the set up for what is to follow. It's the "establishing shot" and should build anticipation. Revealing too much too soon is like giving away the ending of a movie -- a real spoiler. Yes, there is plenty of humor in the Mansion. But it builds and builds to the final swinging wake graveyard scene. The new queue elements, for that reason, screw up the "opening shots" of the Mansion. In my humble opinion. (And, to save time and trouble, I know it is a theme park. I know there are more important things in life. I know that it is not the end of the world. Thanks.)
Originally Posted By demderedoseguys I'm just going to say that "disgusting" is not the proper adjective to describe the queue. Disgusting is the condition I've seen the rest rooms at Disney that I was subjected to last summer. For some of you Disney can do nothing right anymore. My advice: Go to the parks,have fun and don't get to caught up in all the hysterics over the new Disney. It's not what it used to be, but it's still a great place to visit.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>Like a good movie, the ideal queue should provide the set up for what is to follow. It's the "establishing shot" and should build anticipation. Revealing too much too soon is like giving away the ending of a movie -- a real spoiler. Yes, there is plenty of humor in the Mansion. But it builds and builds to the final swinging wake graveyard scene. The new queue elements, for that reason, screw up the "opening shots" of the Mansion. In my humble opinion. (And, to save time and trouble, I know it is a theme park. I know there are more important things in life. I know that it is not the end of the world. Thanks.<<< Exactly.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan disgust: a feeling of revulsion or profound disapproval aroused by something unpleasant or offensive. Disgust is not on trial here! (I'm not "disgusted" by the queue. I just think some of it's a bit over the top and could have been handled better.)
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>I'm just going to say that "disgusting" is not the proper adjective to describe the queue. Disgusting is the condition I've seen the rest rooms at Disney that I was subjected to last summer. For some of you Disney can do nothing right anymore. My advice: Go to the parks,have fun and don't get to caught up in all the hysterics over the new Disney. It's not what it used to be, but it's still a great place to visit.<<< I go to the parks. I have fun. I don't get hysterical. But I'm not going to shut my mind off just b/c it's fun. No offense, of course...
Originally Posted By Tony C No but just from reading here and other online Disney sites that some not all are just looking for the tiniest things to nitpick what Disney does at the park. The Yeti not working for a few years now, that's not acceptable. But this I'm willing to give a chance.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>The Yeti not working for a few years now, that's not acceptable.<< Right, but if you point that out, I bet you a $1 someone rushes in to explain that "Disney is a business" to explain it all away. I know people get passionate about this stuff, but that's kind of the point of a discussion board -- to hash it out, kvetch, debate stuff that no one else loses sleep over. Disney made some of us this way with all those programs about the process of Imagineering. So when we feel they're ignoring the rules they themselves invented, it's worth talking about.
Originally Posted By wahooskipper The threads would be a lot shorter if, after each OP, the second poster just said, "yep...you are right."
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost >>>Right, but if you point that out, I bet you a $1 someone rushes in to explain that "Disney is a business" to explain it all away.<<< Sorry, but I think that the broken Yeti is unacceptable as well. I can understand that it had unforeseen mechanical and foundation problems, but more than enough time has passed to fix it. From a business viewpoint, with as much as Disney invested in that part of the attraction, it doesn't make good sense to not try and dazzle their money back on it. So, nana, nana, goo-goo! There is a difference between being critical of real problems gone unfixed and knit-picking everything that is tried that is new. I can't remember which poster stated the the stretching room was an optical illusion that plays tricks on the brain. Come on, really? I, for one, never doubted what was happening ever. It isn't all that complicated. It was funny but hardly dazzling.
