Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Lol TP2000. WDW may be bigger than all the others, but it is my least fav for so many reasons. And the list is growing.
Originally Posted By MousDad I hate it when TP gloats. It's really annoying when the same company listens to sense on one side of the Rockies, but not the other. TP, would there be this much mass-defense of this nonsense among the SoCal fan base? Would the official blog be deleting all the critical comments if this was New Orleans Square?
Originally Posted By FerretAfros Just a thought: if instead of building this extended queue, they had decided to run Haunted Mansion Holiday, like at DL and TDL, would that go over better? With the same funding how many years of it do you think they could run? Personally, I'm not a huge fan of HMH, since I really don't like Nightmare or Danny Elfman music, but I guess I can see its benefits. My biggest problem is that the 'normal' version of the attraction is closed for about a third of the year (early September to mid January). It does make me appreciate the normal version more, but I would rather have it all the time. What do you think the general WDW raction would be?
Originally Posted By gurgitoy2 Is it just me, or do all of the props have that "plastic" look? They all just look too fake to me, and not like anything made of real stone or metal. Also, these effects are way too cheesy before you're let into the more somber gallery and stretch room. You go from wacky water spitting ghosts and bubble blowing organs outside, to having to be quiet and listen inside. I'm not against an interactive queue at all, it's just that this one kind of feels a little too cartoony to me. It's almost like the boardgame "Clue" came to life. It throws off the pacing of the attraction, where you have no idea what to expect from the outside (at least to first time guests). I would love it if they went with a darker tone to this, and made things more subtle and creepy.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip I would not like the Holiday layover. It results in too much down time for the HM. That may be OK at DL where most guests are local and go to the park many times a year. Not so at WDW where for most it is a once a year trip at best.
Originally Posted By leobloom >> Take your time with it guys, shove as much of this stuff into random queues as you can, don't worry too much about the show on the inside of the attraction. << What needs to be fixed on the inside of the attraction? My point all along has been the Mansion is already as good as it needs to be, at least for the moment. Disney is unveiling plussed queues while Universal designed and built an incredibly state-of-the-art immersive land. This is the equivalent of Disney bringing paper nunchucks to a machine-gun fight. I wouldn't say it's ruined the HM, but I would say it's incredibly underwhelming compared to what's happening a few exits away on I-4.
Originally Posted By MousDad I've been thinking long and hard about this whole NextGen/Queue-crazy direction that WDW is pioneering. I am fully convinced that if you look at the effects this will have from the point of view of traditional, Disney attraction design, this will only work with a certain type of attraction, but it is destined to fail with all others. I am convinced that these queue enhancements will never work on attractions that are based on placemaking/story. But they will probably work fine on all others that are fantasy-based, or 'third person point of view' based. Nearly all the current Fantasyland attractions would work. (The kiddie factor would be less obnoxious here, too, for that matter.) Others that I can think of that might work - Speedway, Great Movie Ride, Test Track, Soarin', Space Ranger Spin, TSMM (already there to some degree), TTBaB, and others. But it will never, ever, ever, work on Haunted Mansion, Pirates, Jungle Cruise, ToT, EE, KS, SM, SSE, etc. That's the conclusion I've come to.
Originally Posted By Autopia Deb If decimating the sadly beautiful tragedy of the attic scene by replacing it with the black widow constance didn't completely ruin the Haunted Mansion for me I don't see how this queue will have much effect on me one way or another. Still I'll withhold judgment until I experience it myself, of course by the time I make another trip to the World it will probably be so beat up either nothing will work or everything will be too gross to touch.
Originally Posted By Britain The new queue looks fun. Perfectly appropriate for the first half (pre-materialized) of the show.
Originally Posted By xrayvision ^I agree with Britain's post 89. I like the new HM interactive queue.
Originally Posted By wahooskipper I'm in for just about anything that will keep the passing in line time more enjoyable. I was there Monday...but did not get on Mansion so I didn't see this for myself. But, the lines were ridiculous. If you are going to spend upwards of 50% of your day standing in line, why not be entertained?
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<I think I'm now totally okay with WDW taking all the time it wants to fiddle with their big "NextGen" queue program. They can try all the ankle-breaking bouncy pads and spitting sea captains and slappy interactive props that they want. Take your time with it guys, shove as much of this stuff into random queues as you can, don't worry too much about the show on the inside of the attraction. Work out all the kinks and problems and inconsistencies. And in a couple years Disneyland can install improved and refined versions of this stuff, to plus up the queues while plussing up the shows in the attractions beyond them, thus plussing the entire Disneyland experience. I'm suddenly very happy to have Disneyland take a pass on this NextGen concept for another year or two while WDW blunders through the first few attempts at this stuff. >> This ....
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<What needs to be fixed on the inside of the attraction? My point all along has been the Mansion is already as good as it needs to be, at least for the moment. Disney is unveiling plussed queues while Universal designed and built an incredibly state-of-the-art immersive land. This is the equivalent of Disney bringing paper nunchucks to a machine-gun fight. I wouldn't say it's ruined the HM, but I would say it's incredibly underwhelming compared to what's happening a few exits away on I-4.>> And this too ... The Spirit doesn't have many words these days, especially when others are doing the talking (and making a lot of sense)for him
Originally Posted By tashajilek I pray this doesnt happen to DL. I like change a lot but this just sucks lol.
Originally Posted By wahooskipper I think the greater point is that the Fantasyland expansion isn't going to cure what really ails the Magic Kingdom and is likely reflected in guest surveys: For a good chunk of the year the MK is just too darn crowded. Didn't I read something a while back that the average guest only gets to experience 9 attractions on a typical visit? Some would argue that the expansion will spread out the guests and add ride capacity but I'd challenge that the crowds will just get bigger and stress the already stressed infrastructure. So, making the guests feel they are receiving some value even while standing in a line is the logical step to take.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<I'm in for just about anything that will keep the passing in line time more enjoyable. I was there Monday...but did not get on Mansion so I didn't see this for myself. But, the lines were ridiculous. If you are going to spend upwards of 50% of your day standing in line, why not be entertained?>> It's Walmarting. It's the idea that people are so dumb, which I don't disagree with as I think folks get worse by the minute as we evolve into apes again, they need to be constantly entertained ... much like a kitty when you shine a laserpointer on the walls. How many people are so unable to simply relax and enjoy their surroundings that they'll hang in the queue for PoC or Mansion or whatever updating their FB status or Tweeting? I get that. And I get that Disney is just pandering to the constantly lowering of people's intelligence and attention span. But if it keeps up this way and they decide that they wish to market to the LDC audience, they might as well just close the parks and let people experience them all on a freaking iPhone. Really. ~People Is Dumb~
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 ''LDC audience'' should be LCD audience. ~See, even Da Spirit is getting dumber ... nah, just a fast typist!~
Originally Posted By tashajilek "How many people are so unable to simply relax and enjoy their surroundings that they'll hang in the queue for PoC or Mansion or whatever updating their FB status or Tweeting?" Ugh this is so true. I am in the age bracket where i "should" always be on my phone or texting, but i cant stand it! I think Disney queues have enough details to be entertaining before you enter the attraction. I always find it fun to strike up a conversation with other guests in line too.
Originally Posted By tashajilek When i was a kid i was always excited to be in the line, and the anticipation made the ride better.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<I think the greater point is that the Fantasyland expansion isn't going to cure what really ails the Magic Kingdom and is likely reflected in guest surveys: For a good chunk of the year the MK is just too darn crowded. Didn't I read something a while back that the average guest only gets to experience 9 attractions on a typical visit? Some would argue that the expansion will spread out the guests and add ride capacity but I'd challenge that the crowds will just get bigger and stress the already stressed infrastructure.>> All true. MK capacity has actually dropped over the years as attractions were closed and not replaced. Entertainment venues were closed or removed. Food and beverage locales were shuttered sans replacements. Shops were closed, while carts and merchandise were moved into courtyards, walkways etc ... PLUS you had FP added to the mix, which allows guests to 'wait' elsewhere, which clogs things even worse. Even after this expansion, one could realistically say MK would still need a good 3-4 (at least two major) attractions to truly meet capacity needs on moderately crowded to very busy days. <<So, making the guests feel they are receiving some value even while standing in a line is the logical step to take.>> Logical? By Disney's thoughts, sure. But it still is simply BS. The idea the queue can somehow make up for not adding real reasons for people to visit.
