Originally Posted By BeautysBeast Sadly it was a racially motivated bogus charge,but where in corporate white america has that not happened?One good thing tho the life time ban was reduced to one year only ban for DTD.
Originally Posted By dshyates I'm glad when I was in high school you didn't get banned for life from WDW for hanging out at the mall and trying to pick up girls. I don't know if it is racial profiling, age profiling , or what, but I know they would never, never, never ever, walk up to my dad, a 70 year old white retired physician, wearing his rolex and fugly coogi sweater and tell him that he needed to get to his movie or leave the mall. They think these teenagers gave them attitude. My Dad would give them so much freakin' attitude Disney would be beggin' to settle out of court.
Originally Posted By mele I kind of wonder how they can seriously ban someone for life? Seems like that would be hard to enforce.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<Frankly, the title of the thread, while factual, is provocative.>> Well DUH... Welcome to the world of Darkbeer titles. He ALWAYS makes them as provocative as possible. Increases the readership you know!
Originally Posted By RoadTrip The bottom line truth is that young black mean frequently use language, gestures and dress that the majority white culture finds threatening. They have the choice of attempting to maintain a subculture of their own, or conforming to the majority culture to slide through life more easily. They have chosen a path which often creates problems. That is their right, but they also have to accept the reaction that it can trigger.. I'll guarantee you one thing... if they were dressed like and spoke like Colin Powell or Barack Obama they wouldn't have been hassled.
Originally Posted By dshyates but aside from "loitering" what crimes did they actually commit to get hasseled to start with. Were there complaints from scared white folks who felt threatened by the gangster thugs? No. The mall cops had approached these teens repeatedly. It to me sounds as if these overeager cops who were trying to enforce a vague and discriminitory new policy to reduce gang problems. The problem with these kind of laws is they are damn near impossible to enforce and usually result in lawsuits against the enforcers. Oddly enough in America you usually have to break a law first. Then enforcement. By the way could someone please explain the legal differance between Loitering and Hangin' at the Mall. Is it transactions per hour? Dollars per hour?
Originally Posted By vbdad55 < don't know if it is racial profiling, age profiling , or what, but I know they would never, never, never ever, walk up to my dad, a 70 year old white retired physician, wearing his rolex and fugly coogi sweater and tell him that he needed to get to his movie or leave the mall. They think these teenagers gave them attitude. My Dad would give them so much freakin' attitude Disney would be beggin' to settle out of court.< but then again exactly what % of 70 year old white males are involved in gang activity which is what security is trying to avoid ? So one hardly seems like it should be compared to the other. If they were 4 70 year old black, white , hispanic , asian or any race they would not have been approached, because the issue that draws the concern in gang activity/ colors - turf - harassment - drugs - weapons etc...
Originally Posted By dshyates "Again..its only a one year ban from downtown disney." If Disney banned me for a year for deciding to skip the movie I bought a ticket for and chose to try and meet a lady instead, there would indeed be litigation.
Originally Posted By BeautysBeast <a href="http://www.tboblogs.com/index.php/newswire/story/dinsey-reverses-lifetime-ban-for-4-teens/" target="_blank">http://www.tboblogs.com/index. php/newswire/story/dinsey-reverses-lifetime-ban-for-4-teens/</a>
Originally Posted By BeautysBeast Disruptive and borish beahavior is blessed mostly to the young and stupid.No doubt these athletes like dum arses to the man.
Originally Posted By dshyates "then again exactly what % of 70 year old white males are involved in gang activity which is what security is trying to avoid ?" But to NOT hassle my dad and toss him out along with a ban IS profiling and discriminatory. This policy is the same as saying just ban all blacks because gangs are black. I have a better nondiscriminatory policy. Wait until someone actually breaks a law them nail them to the wall so hard others will reconsider their path. Then when the liberals say "Your just making an example of him." reply with "Yep, I sure hope so."
Originally Posted By BeautysBeast IF these was white kids there would not have been a problem.At least not newsworty.
Originally Posted By BlueOhanaTerror >>>IF these was white kids there would not have been a problem.At least not newsworty.<< You don't help your case by punctuating various threads with assertions of racism. And then doing it with poor grammar and spelling. You've done this in other threads, such as the one where you tried to assert that Disney's development of THE PRINCESS AND THE FROG smacked of racism - when in fact you know almost NOTHING about the movie itself. This sort of behavior just shows you off to be a presumptive, uneducated boor, who's starved for attention. Try a little harder if you want respect for your point of view. A little smarter effort would serve you even better.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 Ponder this: how often do you witness a white all-American family of say six acting boorishly, possibly engaging in behavior where they or their children could be injured, using profanity, maybe even physically beating a child or abusing a CM and ... nothing happens at all ... ask yourself why this is? Ask yourself if you witness that or gangsta wannabes scaring the beejeebers out of good, God-fearing Midwestern DVCers more often? Also, ask yourself if you're really getting the whole story (on all sides) when making judgments ... and while you do that, I think I'll go pack a refillable mug for my next trip!
Originally Posted By RoadTrip There may be a touch of racism in some of the posts, but I think for the most part it is just recognition of facts. An insanely high percentage of young black men are currently in jail or have been in jail at some time. Is this because of racism? No. It's because they commit a lot of crime. The percentage of crimes committed by young black men far exceeds their percentage of the population. Now I agree that there are reasons for this. Poverty. Lack of opportunity. Lack of education. Lack of role models. Lack of two parent families. There are many solid reasons why black men commit more crime. I believe this country really needs to turn from the direction we've been headed and start doing something to eliminate the poverty, the lack of opportunity, etc. But that does not take away from the statistics that are what they are. And if young black men don't want to be treated like gangsters, they should make sure they don't present the image of one.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip You hit the nail on the head, Spirit, without really intending to. Joe Six Pack's actions don't pose a threat to ME. Joe Gangsta's actions do. Were the guys in Downtown Disney really gangsters? Obviously not. But were they perhaps acting like gangsters (gangster wannabes)? Perhaps. And if so, they will be perceived as a threat because real gangsters ARE a legitimate threat.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<You hit the nail on the head, Spirit, without really intending to.>> I always intend to hit the nail on the head, Trippy. Always.
