Originally Posted By jonvn "Having been a bouncer in both a rock/metal club and a pop/mainstream venue" I'm sorry, but aren't these the sorts of places that allow underage people like Lindsay Lohan to become an alcoholic? These sorts of places are filled with disgusting untowards behavior and people need to wake up to the fact that their idea of "entertainment" is gutter scum. "there have been gangster rap and heavy metal bands playing HOB at DL and WDW for years." They don't belong there. Particularly the gangster rap bilge. Anyone who thinks that filth is entertainment probably would lose to a chimp in an IQ test, as far as I'm concerned. It's just how low our society has fallen that even allows this sort of thing to be called anything than what it actually is: Coarse and deviant filth. "how people get up in arms if gay days are critiqued" I don't care if gay days are critiqued all that much. But there is a difference. You can't help being gay. It's like being left handed. You can't do anything about it. However, you can do something about your taste in pop culture. If you CHOOSE to wallow yourself in the putrid yowling of these wastrels, then you are deserving of having your "rights" trampled upon. "I would rather be surrounded by metal heads than cheerleaders or Night of Joy folks." I would personally rather be surrounded by people who are not cult members or people who can't distinguish quality from indecency. That is, normal average folks who simply want to enjoy themselves and not immerse themselves in filthy language, as gangter rap does, death and devil junk like heavy metal does, or religious insantiy like Night of Joy people do. Just because one group of people are revolting in a manner different than another group does not mean that either are worth spending time with.
Originally Posted By k_peek_2000 "Hadn't heard of them. Looked them up. They look like they produce crap. Glad they're gone." That's really common of you to judge things before you even see or hear or "experiance" them.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA Read jonvn's post #21 like you're a crotchedy old man. Comedy Gold! Sorry, jonvn, but it's funny.
Originally Posted By jonvn I saw enough. Are people so lacking in critical thinking skills that they think it is requored to experience anything before knowing it's going to be junk? That's simply not true, and no one actually behaves that way. I'm not interested in such diversions. Know why? Because I don't care to be assaulted by filth, or be surrounded at DTD by people who seem to think filth is entertaining.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA I hope it's not to flame me, I was totally just kidding with you. I think we're fairly close in age, which makes me chuckle even more when you rail on some of these things.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA Besides, I'm on your team with this issue. I think Disney should be more selective with their live shows at House of Blues. As with the movie theater. If Disney feels that certain movies are detrimental to their overall image, then, yes, they could step in over at the movie complex too. It's Disney's show.
Originally Posted By jonvn "I hope it's not to flame me" Actually, not at all. I would do that out in the open.
Originally Posted By friendofdd For some reason, age perhaps, I read everybody's posts like a crochety old man. Guess that's why I find so many posts amusing. Crochety! Say it out loud. It's a great word.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<I would personally rather be surrounded by people who are not cult members or people who can't distinguish quality from indecency. That is, normal average folks who simply want to enjoy themselves and not immerse themselves in filthy language, as gangter rap does, death and devil junk like heavy metal does, or religious insantiy like Night of Joy people do. >> Wow! Totally agree. I think I'd like to hang out with Jon. Should I be afraid? ;-)
Originally Posted By Inspector 57 <<I agree that it is not the most wholesome, but there have been gangster rap and heavy metal bands playing HOB at DL and WDW for years. Why this recent spark?>> Lots of content in a concise post! <<gangster rap and heavy metal bands>> Well, wait a second. At least in terms of the likelihood of violence at a concert. Gangsta rap and "heavy metal" may not be in the same league. Venues playing gangsta rap are more likely to experience violence in the audience than those playing other types of music. When was the last time you heard of someone being shot in the parking lot of a Dave Matthews Band concert? "Heavy Metal" is a broad term. There's 70's metal bands. (I suspect those are the ones that have veggie pacifists for fans.) Newer metal, like NIN. Rap metal. For the most part, metal fans are low-maintenance concert-goers. (Though they DO seem to be over-represented among the teens-on-shooting-spree-at-school crowd.) <<it is not the most wholesome>> And, in my opinion, that's good enough reason for Disney to say, "We don't want to be associated with them. They won't perform on our property." Even if the fans of some metal groups are statistically unlikely to become violent at their bands' shows, they dress the part and they act in a tough, non-"Disney" fashion. I'd just as soon they not be there when I'm visiting DTD. <<Why this recent spark?>> Who knows. But as both a social liberal and a big Disney fan, the Disney fan in me wins out in this case. The suddenness of this decision makes me wonder if policies are changing in part because of the media issue over the black kids who were "mistreated" at WDW's DTD a few months ago. In any event, it totally blows that Disney made this proclamation the day before the concert. I'm glad the bands were able to find another venue so quickly.
Originally Posted By jonvn Maybe this recent spark is part of an overall collective pulling our heads out of our rear ends over the junk polluting our entertainment. With commedians like Eddie Griffin being pulled off stage for his filthy language and use of the N word (finally!) and people like Al Sharpton starting to step up and condemn the vile nature of such things, maybe we've finally sunk so low that someone, somewhere has finally started waking up to the destructive nature of this coarse material.
Originally Posted By Darkbeer Note, Disney does not own the House of Blues venue at DtD Anaheim. Disney is the landlord, but the House of Blues group (HOB Entertainment, Inc.) is the actual owners of the venue and does the booking of the site. And I think it is very unfair that at the last minute, Disney pulled the "unsafe" card when they knew about it for months. I presume there are clear standards in the contract HOB has with Disney in regards to what they can offer, but there also needs to be fairness on both sides, and in this specific case, seems like Disney is going to regret its actions by pull the "last minute" decision. But the bigger question is does HOB want to upset the Mouse over the one concert, or will they make peace behind the scenes and get some future concessions from Disney?
Originally Posted By Inspector 57 <<Maybe this recent spark is part of an overall collective pulling our heads out of our rear ends over the junk polluting our entertainment.>> I totally agree, jonvn, and hope you're right that we're trending toward being brave enough to call it the lowest-common-denominator, artless, harmful commercial product that it is.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 Now, I'm really scared. Not only am I in complete agreement with Jon, but also I-57 ... I hope there are no monsters (or Monsters) under my bed.
Originally Posted By Inspector 57 <<Now, I'm really scared. Not only am I in complete agreement with Jon, but also I-57 ... I hope there are no monsters (or Monsters) under my bed.>> I noticed the same troika of agreement, too. It made me smile. Wouldn't it be so much easier for each of the three of us if the other two were COMPLETELY uncredible and unlikeable and added nothing of value to LP? Why can't you two be like Mr X and WorldDisney, who are so TOTALLY devoid of value on these boards that it feels GOOD to cringe at their posts?!
Originally Posted By bean good decision on Disney's behalf. now if the HOB was located at the end of the property with a direct exit to the parking lot then it might be different. HOB location would place any unruly behavior directly int he path of families walking to and from their hotels as well as a pretty enclosed area with only exits towards teh hotel district and or theme park tram area
