Originally Posted By DAR For those who think that Disney and Marvel don't fit because Marvel doesn't fit Disney's family image. Don't forget that Disney owns Miramax who gave us such films as Clerks, the Crying Game, Pulp Fiction and No Country for Old Men. And I don't recall any of those films being attractions at the parks. Though that No Country For Old Men dark ride may have been good, except it would have just ended.
Originally Posted By Mr X lol. I think the concern is that none of those films had walk-a-round animated characters that could be (potentially) used. I do remember meeting "Spider-Man" at Universal Islands of Adventure once. He was a little round in the gut for the role, truth be told.
Originally Posted By WorldDisney Tbh, I think people are getting waaay ahead of themselves here. I'm guessing the purchase is more of a film advantage vs a theme park one. Sure, I get with 'synergy' it may be a matter of time, but I dont see any of these characters popping up in the parks anytime soon, especially with Universal still having them. But I can see them in DCA easily. Ironically before the makeover, I couldve easily saw them in the old PP, now not so much. HPB makes sense too. But again, I dont exactly see Ironman walking through TL anytime soon if ever. I think they might find an appropriate place for them and the MK parks may be off-limits in general.
Originally Posted By PetesDraggin My guess is that, with over 5,000 characters in the Marvel universe, Pixar gets its hands on some of the more obscure but marketable ones and makes some movies. This makes these Marvel characters much more Disney-fied and easier to integrate into the theme parks.
Originally Posted By DAR <<I think the concern is that none of those films had walk-a-round animated characters that could be (potentially) used.>> You didn't want to see a walk-a-round Gimp character from Pulp Fiction.
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt "the only way i see marvel characters in the parks is if they used them for a third theme park or a possible new themepark in orlando unless disney just takes islands of adventures of universals hands, which i don't they will because of the harry potter land going in right now" Disney will probably buy the rights to Harry Potter too. LOL. "Ironically before the makeover, I couldve easily saw them in the old PP..." Really?? How so?
Originally Posted By WorldDisney "Ironically before the makeover, I couldve easily saw them in the old PP..." <<Really?? How so?>> I saw them in PP before because there was no strong identity in terms of character or time placement in that area. PP was just a contempoary boardwalk, there were no signature themes or character identity there before. So if they put in Incredible Hulk or Ironman or whatever, it wouldnt have felt out of place there to me, like say GRR . They added Marvel attractions there LIKE the Spiderman ride, it wouldve been fine. But NOW since they have tooned it up with all the Disney and Pixar characters and slowly changing it to an early century Victorian theme, its not so easy to see Thor hanging out there or a Hulk steal coaster like they have at IOA will now look like a big eye sore. But before sure. PP looked like any carnival USA before TSMM was added, they couldve actually transformed a lot of that section to the Marvel universe if this deal was done several years ago. Instead of a Goofy flying school Mad Mouse, you now had one based on Storm from X men with silly storm effects to boot. Instead of Maliboomer, you now had it designed to Ironman. Instead of the Mickey Symphony or whatever, its now transformed to Fantastic 4. Try some of the Marvel boardwalk games now based on Incredible Hulk, Daredevil, Magneto, etc. And honestly none of this stuff would look out of place, since its all superficial themeing anyway. And thats what a lot of these comic characters get in places like MM and Universal anyway. Yeah, PP wouldve been a perfect match and actually branded to something now...before I mean .
Originally Posted By WorldDisney LOL, the more I think about Marvel and PP, the more I am liking that idea. This couldve been the Marvel Universe section of the park, with one big E ticket anchoring it and the rest of the area the same spinners and off-the-shelf stuff that always existed, just with Marvel theming. They couldve had an exclusive Marvel store, little character show somewhere and obviously photo op for all the characters. It wouldve cool actually and really attract the teenage boys BOTH this section of the park and aquiring Marvel in the first place the deal is trying to attract. WOuldve been great marketing oppurtunity. But now PP is growing up and becoming all 'sophisticated', so that stuff would look like a big eyesore with TLM ride there, WOC at night, detailed old school art design and etc. Oh well, I'm guessing HPB may not be too far behind for a possible home for them now .
Originally Posted By WorldDisney LOL, the more I think about Marvel and PP, the more I am liking that idea. This couldve been the Marvel Universe section of the park, with one big E ticket anchoring it and the rest of the area the same spinners and off-the-shelf stuff that always existed, just with Marvel theming. They couldve had an exclusive Marvel store, little character show somewhere and obviously photo op for all the characters. It wouldve cool actually and really attract the teenage boys BOTH this section of the park and aquiring Marvel in the first place the deal is trying to attract. WOuldve been great marketing oppurtunity. But now PP is growing up and becoming all 'sophisticated', so that stuff would look like a big eyesore with TLM ride there, WOC at night, detailed old school art design and etc. Oh well, I'm guessing HPB may not be too far behind for a possible home for them now .
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt "So if they put in Incredible Hulk or Ironman or whatever, it wouldnt have felt out of place there to me, like say GRR . They added Marvel attractions there LIKE the Spiderman ride, it wouldve been fine." If you say so. I'm not sure how you make that connection though. The PP is, and always has been, themed to Southern California beach culture. I don't see how Spiderman fits with that.
Originally Posted By gadzuux I'm thinking a replacement for the indiana jones stunt show at HPB. 'Raiders of the Lost Ark' is almost thirty years old, and it ain't getting any fresher. Instead of stunts being performed by mere mortals, this could be more of a special effects show, where costumed characters might fly through the air, throw cars around, avert natural disasters and beat up bad guys.
Originally Posted By WorldDisney Well dude, in that case how does Andy's room and the Toy Story gang fit into Southern California beach culture . I mean, yeah sure, but the point is you can still theme these attractions with characters and its still part of the beach just like how they did it with TSMM basically. And isnt that EXACTLY what they are doing anyway with changing this stuff to Mickey Mouse swings, Goofy Maliboomer, TLM ride and etc? Whats the difference?? You are just substituting one line of toons that doesnt really fit for a new line of toons that doesnt really fit....welcome to DCA lol. But seriously, PP was thematically one of the weakest areas of the park because all they did was make a few carnival rides, some sand, fake boardwalk and say *voila*, California pier. Whats the big deal, no one cares what this part of the park was themed to in the first place, so you change it to something else. Its not exactly NOS to begin with. My point is they WILL find a place for these characters somewhere, better here where no one really cares or very attached to the area and they can shape it to something cool and more marketable to those teenagers they were trying to get in the first place instead of someplace like Frontierland, Tomorrowland, Fantasyland, etc where those themes are well detailed and been around for decades already. You start adding Marvel characters to those areas, people will start burning Iger effigies. PP, you simply start again from a new angle and see what bites, which they are doing anyway, just more grown up and yes, with the same ole Disney characters that are in our faces 100 times day now already. But yeah, I wouldnt see any big problem with making it a Marvel based area at all if they went that way. (For the record though, I LIKE the approach the new PP makeover is going, it was just a quick thought of what COULDVE been done, thats all)
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt "Well dude, in that case how does Andy's room and the Toy Story gang fit into Southern California beach culture ." Because the attraction is themed to MIDWAY GAMES.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA <He was a little round in the gut for the role, truth be told.> Hey, aren't we all!
Originally Posted By WorldDisney "Well dude, in that case how does Andy's room and the Toy Story gang fit into Southern California beach culture ." <<Because the attraction is themed to MIDWAY GAMES.>> Well dude lol, thats my point!!! If you can adapt a bunch of Toy Story characters to midway games, how hard would it be for say, Spiderman, Ironman, Fantastic 4, etc of the EXACT same thing? See my point now . Hell and it would actually make more sense. I can see myself as Spiderman throwing webs against Doc Oc or Ironman throwing rays against flying disc or something. Thats every freaking comic book video game anyway . Like I said, all that place did was create rides for toons who NEVER belonged there in the first place, why is it suddenly so hard to imagine Marvel characters in the exact same roles as them now?? Thats all I'm saying here and why I wouldnt have a problem if they were put in there. If you are already going that route anyway, what's the difference who you actually put in there? What does Goofy sky school has anything to do California beaches?? Zilch, so why not base that same ride on Ironman flying through the comos instead? Honestly who cares by this point? Its all one big stretch to the imagination regardless.
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt I think the difference, at least for me, is that with the exception of Aerial and Toy Story, Disney is using the so called Fab Five for PP Pier's character overlay. I know it's a fine line to draw, but I Mickey Mouse ferris wheel at a vintage seaside pier makes a whole lot more sense to me than a Spiderman one.
Originally Posted By WorldDisney Sure I agree with that in principle, but I think simply because we as Disney fans only can see it in terms of Diseny characters thats understandable. Until this time yesterday, the only time I could imagine The Incredible Hulk in a Disney theme park was on someones shirt . But my point is, as you been stating in the OTHER thread, but still fight me on this one here anyway lol, Disney is going to want to use these characters. Obviously they have start using them SOMEWHERE! Whats the point of going through the trouble of getting them out of the hands of Universal, Paramount, SONY and etc just to stick them waaaaaay in the corner of Disney studios for a photo op if they arent going to be used for their fullest potential, ie, rides, shows, merchandise, etc? So, I can easily see them in PP no problem while admitting A. it would take some getting use to and B. I dont want them there lol, but this is the new possible reality, thats all I am saying. So if you dont like them in PP, thats fine, they're not going there anyway (I'm guessing...but who knows ), WHERE exactly would you put them?? We've been going back and forth on how Disney will do anything to get these characters for themselves even if means waiting decades for them, buying them out and/or murder(seriously, was that you who suggested Disney would do that before...becasue I disagreed for the record..slightly), so now that you actually have them with all that effort, where would you put them in DL, WDW, HKDL, DLP or TDR? I honestly think anywhere outside of the MK park and TDS (since that park is in late 18th/early 19th century era mosly) they can be squeezed a lot more places than people are thinking. But everyone has to get out of their comfort zone first . And yes, I'm thinking in time, they might even build areas in the MK park to include them more. Be interesting to see. For Disneys sake though, keep Captain America completely out of DLP though!
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>they can be squeezed a lot more places than people are thinking<< I think that's actually what worries people. "Squeezing" suggests placing them where they probably wouldn't really belong. If the Marvel characters have their own "land" or better yet, park, no harm, no foul. When I was a kid, I didn't like to play with Hot Wheels and Tonka trucks at the same time. They were of two different worlds, two entirely different scales. The Marvel characters and Disney/Pixar characters are like Hot Wheels and Tonkas -- each cool in their own realm, but not much of a fit sharing the same space. I'm sure the folks at Disney are aware of this as well. They've done very little with the Muppets since acquiring them, so the chances of them going TOO crazy with the Marvel characters (except in terms of merchandise) is unlikely. Who knows? Disney might even sell them off at some point in the future. They got into and out of the sports team market.
