Originally Posted By Neologos I wonder what you people would be saying about Indiana Jones, before it came out. Some of this opposition is just opposition to something new. I think they will layer in the new characters and they will match the theme with the character. Now Indiana is the center of Adventure-land. New characters will be tied in. The fear is putting in off the shelf ride and slap an X-Man and call it Disney magic, I love going through the buzz lightyear and toy story mania but they are essentially the same ride with Toy Story and Buzz worked into the theme. I am not closing my mind to this, I am a little hopeful. I am not kidding just stating what could go together.
Originally Posted By Bellella If they up and decide to put Marvel characters into D-land, I'm going to be really disappointed in them.
Originally Posted By Bellella And besides, we may be worried about Disney being spoiled by Marvel, but I bet many Marvel fans are worried about it being spoiled by Disney. Lots of friction on both sides.
Originally Posted By Hista98 I am not closing my mind to this, I am a little hopeful. I am not kidding just stating what could go together. dude, those areas you mentiond are themed to a specific place and time in the world, adding modenr day marvel charecters that are form america or bigg fictional cities would just kill it and have it not make sense. like spiderman flying around in Critter Country?? thanks but no thanks!!! youre one of those brianwashed people who thinks disney can't do anything wrong aren't you. you liked light tragic and rocket rods uhh?? its ok to not like something disney does you know
Originally Posted By DAR <<If they up and decide to put Marvel characters into D-land, I'm going to be really disappointed in them.>> Again let me point out that Disney owns A&E you don't see Dog the Bounty Hunter or someone from Intervention running around the parks. They own Lifetime, you don't see the latest star of (whatever men are rotten movie they're showing) They own Miramax nothing in the parks related to that. Now you do see ESPN at WDW but that's once a year and doesn't affect the overall brand.
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt ^^Surely you can see the difference between those entities and Marvel, no?
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA <Again let me point out that Disney owns A&E you don't see Dog the Bounty Hunter or someone from Intervention running around the parks> Disney hasnt paid anywhere near $4 billion for all of their TV interests -- combined.
Originally Posted By Hista98 wonder what you people would be saying about Indiana Jones, before it came out. Some of this opposition is just opposition to something new. I think they will layer in the new characters and they will match the theme with the character. Now Indiana is the center of Adventure-land. New characters will be tied in. The fear is putting in off the shelf ride and slap an X-Man and call it Disney magic, I love going through the buzz lightyear and toy story mania but they are essentially the same ride with Toy Story and Buzz worked into the theme. I am not closing my mind to this, I am a little hopeful. I am not kidding just stating what could go together. but the indy films fit the theme of adventureland perfectly. same time frame and most of the stories took place in a far off jungle or world setting which is the theme of adventureland. Explore the unexplored. the marvel charecters won't. plus what makes you think they will incorpurate it into their classic rides, I don't think they will, from what i heared it will be a weekend type event like super soap once a year, and a new mega giftstore.
Originally Posted By Neologos How does a galaxy far far away fit in 1986 America? Tomorrowland was envisioned by futurists in the 50's & 60's of the mid 80's. People mover, house of the future are now gone for star tours and Buzz…don’t forget the Rocket Rods moved us in a futuristic fantasyland. Lands Evolve. The current push for Disneyland is to add stories to rides that didn't have stories. Think of the last few live action movies, Country Bear, Haunted Mansion, Pirates of the Caribbean and don’t forget the Direct to video Tower of Terror movie. If a ride doesn’t have story they have been creating them. Many of the earlier rides had stories because that is how Walt wanted them to be. That was forgotten and with that the people in charge of the parks thought people just wanted thrill rides. Rides created to compete with Magic Mountain and Knott’s Berry Farms. People started missing the Magic people started missing the stories. The imagineers and management for some reason remembered that. It could be argued that DCA failed because it lacked a story. They are trying to fix that now. I am happy with I am happy that Disney bought a bunch more stories. I wish Disney would make some good new stories but they bought them instead.
Originally Posted By Hista98 after the 1967 redo, tomorrowland didn't have a time frame really, it wasn't 1986 america as that had gotten dated, it was then supposed to be a sci-fi future which Star Tours fits perfectly into. plus the stories in those movies did not fit the stories that were already develpoed for Pirtes haunted mansion, and CBJ. If you payed attention to these rides you would see that they had a diffrent story then the one used in the movie.
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt "after the 1967 redo, tomorrowland didn't have a time frame really, it wasn't 1986 america as that had gotten dated, it was then supposed to be a sci-fi future which Star Tours fits perfectly into." That isn't really accurate. The sci-fi stuff didn't really start until Captain Eo arrived in the late 1980's - nearly 20 years after Tommorrowland '67. That version of Tomorrowland was probably the closest to Walt's 'living blueprint of our future' vision for Tomorrowland that Disneyland has ever had.
Originally Posted By Sport Goofy << Disney hasnt paid anywhere near $4 billion for all of their TV interests -- combined. >> Disney paid over $10B for ABC back in the 90s (including the A&E networks). They paid $5B for Fox Family Channel almost 10 years ago.
Originally Posted By HRM WoW, 10 Billion for ABC... then ABC tanked and went from 1st to 4th in the Network rankings... well at least Disney got ESPN out of the deal as well - that was definitely worth the buy out.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA << Disney hasn't paid anywhere near $4 billion for all of their TV interests -- combined. >> Disney paid over $10B for ABC back in the 90s (including the A&E networks). <They paid $5B for Fox Family Channel almost 10 years ago.> I stand proudly corrected. And if that's the case, they should certainly working on a 'Dog, The Bounty Hunter' attraction for Disneyland. Put it in Main Street U.S.A.
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt "Disney paid over $10B for ABC back in the 90s (including the A&E networks)." Apples and oranges. A television network like ABC generates millions in ad revenue, while a character franchise alone does not. Since there is a precedent for Marvel characters at other theme parks we can pretty much assume that Disney will try to find a way to exploit these assets at its own properties somehow.
Originally Posted By WilliamK99 Apples and oranges. A television network like ABC generates millions in ad revenue, while a character franchise alone does not. Since there is a precedent for Marvel characters at other theme parks we can pretty much assume that Disney will try to find a way to exploit these assets at its own properties somehow. << Marvel made over 200 million in profits last year alone, while yes last year was a killer year thanks to Iron Man, I believe they will have another strong year next year with Iron Man II. Coupled with the Disney marketing machine, I think Disney will be able to make 500 million profit with Marvel yearly, sure it will take many years to make it's money back. But fortunately, Disney unlike those that frequent Disney message boards, thinks long-term, not short-term....
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA <Disney unlike those that frequent Disney message boards, thinks long-term, not short-term....> Go.com nufsed
Originally Posted By Sport Goofy << Go.com >> I guess they could have been bought by AOL instead. We all know how well that worked out for TimeWarner.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA AOL and TimeWarner was a stupid move. No question about it. I also feel that Disney buying Marvel is a bad deal that will not work out as well for either party as they think.
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt ABC/ESPN seems to have worked out pretty well. A quick browse on the Internet revealed that in 2004 ABC generated $11.4 billion in revenues while Disney as a whole took in $30 billion that same year. Not bad. Not bad at all.
