Originally Posted By studiovx Touche', especially this last weekend! Still a crowded day at Disneyland beats most!
Originally Posted By TMICHAEL Seriously dude, if that CM did drop the F-bombs on stage, then I'd be the first to hit City Hall with his name and a complaint. THAT kind of CM behaviour belongs nowhere onstage. But no matter how you want to rose tint your world, Disney is now, and has been for quite sometime, just a job to most who work there.
Originally Posted By fkurucz >>But no matter how you want to rose tint your world, Disney is now, and has been for quite sometime, just a job to most who work there.<< Attitude flows down from the top. When the people who run the place ONLY care about profit (and I'm not saying that profit is not important), then yes, for the rank and file its just a job. That said, there will never be another Walt in charge of the place. The best we can hope for is a "suit" that "gets it".
Originally Posted By studiovx Rose tint? Isn't that what people expect at Disneyland? Isn't that why it's suyrrounded by a berm? To keep it from being the outside world and suspend disbelief if only for a short time? Sorry, I can hold out for what it's mission was to be if I choose to. And it is about choice, isn't it? I choose not to accept bad show just because that's the way it is. That's not the deal. I'm a recruiter for a company and I'm quite sure working for one company or another is a choice. If a person doesn't like where they work, then they should move on. If not, they accept the conditions of their hire and agree to abide by the mission statement. That's not rose-colored, that's reality. And. it is their choice. Nobody is holding them hostage. And yes, the F-bombs were a drag as he didn't think about where he was when he came through the door. It may be just a job for the rank & file, but as a matter of professionalism which we all should have no matter what we do, it was unprofessional. That is something not to be laid on Mgmt. That's personal conduct. Integrity is what you are when nobody is looking, right?
Originally Posted By studiovx Rose tint? Isn't that what people expect at Disneyland? Isn't that why it's suyrrounded by a berm? To keep it from being the outside world and suspend disbelief if only for a short time? Sorry, I can hold out for what it's mission was to be if I choose to. And it is about choice, isn't it? I choose not to accept bad show just because that's the way it is. I'm a recruiter for a company and I'm quite sure working for one company or another is a choice. If a person doesn't like where they work, then they should move on. If not, they accept the conditions of their hire and agree to abide by the mission statement. That's not rose-colored, that's reality. And. it is their choice. Nobody is holding them hostage. And yes, the F-bombs were a drag as he didn't think about where he was when he came through the door. It may be just a job for the rank & file, but as a matter of professionalism which we all should have no matter what we do, it was unprofessional. That is something not to be laid on Mgmt. That's personal conduct. Integrity is what you are when nobody is looking, right?
Originally Posted By fkurucz >> That is something not to be laid on Mgmt.<< I disagree. Management has created a scenario where they are hiring substandard CM's. They are getting what they are willing to pay for.
Originally Posted By trekkeruss More pay doesn't make for better CM's IMO, training and managers who motivate are supposed to do that.
Originally Posted By Theme Park One << If a person doesn't like where they work, then they should move on. >> Don't look now, but a huge number of long time CM's are doing just that. Unfortunately they are the ones hired before 2003 that have been acting as the "glue" holding thier areas together through the ravages of Pressler/Harris park deterioration years and are now being rewarded by losing hours, pay and benefits. They aren't the ones dropping the "f-bombs" but are rather quietly and somewhat desparately looking for a way out early next year. ATTENTION EMPLOYERS! Looking for dependable, hard working and loyal employees? Go to Disneyland! Look for nametags with "Class of 2003" or earlier embossed at the bottom. These people show up on time, have great work ethics and will do almost anything for $9.50 - $12.00 per hour! The fact that they are still employed at Disneyland at this time serves as a live resume of dependability. Happy hunting!
Originally Posted By fkurucz >>More pay doesn't make for better CM's IMO, training and managers who motivate are supposed to do that.<< These things are all part of the equation. But underpaying is a surefire way to end up with a bunch of underperfomers. It reminds me of a Dilbert cartoon, where the Pointy Haired Boss tells his staff that the company's goal is to have above average employees, while only paying average wages.
Originally Posted By warpdrvr >>from what I hear.. no stike soon. These are just rumors. yes some CM's are complaining about the new policys, but no one really is serious about striking<< I may be a little late to this, and haven't read all the thread yet, but I do have a family member who's an attractions CM and she got a letter from her union that talks about a "possible" strike in March. I have no opinion, I am just stating what she told me.....
Originally Posted By imadisneygal Yep, there's a possible strike every year with some union or another. Whichever one is going through renegotiation prepares to strike. Hopefully it won't happen and the Company and the Union will come to some agreement...
Originally Posted By ChurroMonster Why work at Disneyland for $8 per hour when you can wait tables at a decent restaurant for $20+ per hour with so much more flexibility in scheduling? Until Disney can compete with that (and I don't see that as EVER happening) they're screwed.
Originally Posted By Imagineer This Disney will never go on strike. At least I don't think Iger will let one happen. How would it look if Disney went on strike in Iger's first year as CEO? That would not look good on his record now would it? (
Originally Posted By imadisneygal It has happened before and it could realistically happen again. As far as Bob Iger not allowing it, we'll have to see how much he is willing to authorize a compromise between the Resort and the Union.
Originally Posted By Disnerd And remember it is more than one union we are talking about. It is the Teamsters, SEIU and the UFCW. All of which extended their negotiations for the DCA/DTD contract when Disney walked out of the talks. Now the big fight starts in Feb '06 when they start the talks for the Disneyland Contact which is up in March. If Disney gets their way and CM's loose their benefits you won't have to worry about a strike, people will just quit. Everyone keeps talking about how presenteeism is causing all of the problems. The real problem is Disney doing away with schedules that people can live with and benefits. If we wanted to work like this we'd go apply at Walmart. Remember everyone said there would be no strike in '84 and there was. Ask your self why Disney is cross u training managers from TDA. They are trying to figure out a way to run the park during a strike.
Originally Posted By imadisneygal Disney cross trains managers and non-union CM's such as clerical CM's jsut about every year when there are contract negotiations. It's not just this year...
Originally Posted By Imagineer This Is the Disneyland strike on or off? One cm at the meeting sounded angry. (
Originally Posted By HRM >>One cm at the meeting sounded angry.<< What meeting? Annual Shareholder? Union?
