Originally Posted By Dabob2 <What I don't like is the Courts going BEYOND the law, and MAKING law> Example, please, of that actually happening in this context?
Originally Posted By Dabob2 What this is really all about, IMO, is pressing the idea that "ex-gay" is a real thing. That's definitely what "P-FOX" is about if you look into them a little bit (and I don't mean their press releases, I mean their actions). Of course, every serious bit of research that I know that has looked into this has concluded that sexuality IS intrinsic to the individual. The relatively few number of "ex-gays" who stay "ex-gay" for any length of time (as opposed to simply convincing themselves they are) are bi to begin with. Bisexuality is a real thing, and one can limit one's behavior to hetero sex, but that's another matter entirely. The idea behind this group (and this lawsuit) is all about convincing people that it's very possible to become "ex-gay" - and (make no mistake) that those who do NOT "choose to change" have something wrong with them. It's an anti-gay agenda cloaked in "diversity." It's quite transparent, though apparently a few get fooled by it.
Originally Posted By gurgitoy2 If somebody is claiming to be an "ex-gay", what are they really stating? Like somebody stated earlier, if they were truly not gay anymore, they would just be straight. In that case, there's no problem, is there? But, you have this label of "ex-gay", which means that you're not either, actually. The person is apparently sharing that they "used to be gay". Ok...that has to do with work, how? It is a way to basically say that gay is changeable, and bad, because you should desire to be straight. Besides, the research done since these conversion therapy things started has shown that it has little real effect. Eventually the participants "go gay" again.
Originally Posted By dshyates "Sexual Preferance" and "Sexual Orientation" are two entirely different things. For me (male) my sexual preferance is to be straight. But my sexual orientation is gay. That is why I was in a marriage for 18 years that ultimately failed. But the fact that I was in a straight relationship for a long time and now have 2 kids in no way means that I changed my orientation, or became gay. I was gay prior to getting married, and 20 years later I am still gay.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Note that "PFOX" was founded and funded by Dobson's "Family Research Council."
Originally Posted By dshyates I have worked many times with Mr. Dobson. His TV personna and his real life businessman personna are polar opposites. Don't believe that soft spoken nice guy routine.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 The ugliness of his actions always belied any "soft spoken nice guy"-ness anyway.
Originally Posted By DAR <<"Sexual Preferance" and "Sexual Orientation" are two entirely different things. For me (male) my sexual preferance is to be straight. But my sexual orientation is gay.>> But could it be where my orientation is straight, but my preferance is straight but for a certain type of woman?
Originally Posted By ecdc >>That's just to get more customers.<< Pffft. Whatever, DAR. Next thing you'll tell me sorority girls don't have pillow fights in their underwear.
Originally Posted By Labuda <--- was part of a pillow fight at a slumber party when aged 19 It was all actresses and techhies, though - none of us were sorority girls
Originally Posted By Mr X <---doesn't want to know, I'll stick with my imagination on this one. <---deletes "techies" from scene, sticks with actresses.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder Aren't female techies the modern day version of the librarian who takes off her glasses, lets her hair down, and becomes a wanton, lusty.........
Originally Posted By mawnck >>Aren't female techies the modern day version of the librarian who takes off her glasses, lets her hair down, and becomes a wanton, lusty.........<< No, I'm afraid that's Sarah Palin.
Originally Posted By mousermerf The ex-gay people are one of two things: evil or brainwashed. Never trust any of them.
