Originally Posted By gadzuux There's only one group of people in all the world who purport to "cure" gays and lesbians; christian-istas. Not surprisingly, these are the same people who carry around enormous persecution complexes and feel that the culture is somehow stacked against them. So what we have here is an agenda to legitimize their arcane and unsupportable beliefs that they alone have the ability to change someone's inherent sexuality, presumeably through the power of prayer alone. By normalizing the concept of "ex-gay" it then opens the door for them to harangue and pester and prosthletize "current-gays" into giving up their sinful ways and signing on to whatever church or outreach they have running. And if anyone should complain about these activities, they would only have to point to this legal inclusion to say that they're a protected minority and entitled to spread their message. What makes it all especially ironic is that these are the same people who are complaining about gays using legislation and the courts to acheive equality. Yet here they are using the same avenues to further their own misguided agenda of oppressing others. Yet again, we see that the term "christian" now means anything they say it does, with zero effort made to actually conform to Jesus's teachings. And any resulting glaring hypocrisy is waved away as unimportant and irrelevant - just like always. They're answerable to nobody but their god, which is the same as nobody at all, so why should we ever expect any accountability for their actions? They don't even expect it of themselves.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder Because if there is, I look forward to the possibility of meeting an ex-caucasian or an ex-Chinese or an ex-german shepherd someday. The likelihood is just as great.
Originally Posted By utahjosh Simply put, there's no such thing as an "ex-gay". Many, many people disagree with you. Including me.
Originally Posted By utahjosh But I wont' go into the gay discussion here again. Been there way too many times, and I'm way too busy.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "Many, many people disagree with you. Including me." Must be a b!tch to be so wrong, then. Know any ex-german shepherds? Ex-midgets? Ex-albinos?
Originally Posted By Dabob2 According to Truthwinsout.org, "Parents and Friends of Ex-Gays (PFOX) was started in the late 1990’s as an effort to mock the successful pro-gay organization, Parents, Families and Friends of Lesbians and Gays (PFLAG). The goal was to counter PFLAG by providing the media with parents who claimed to love their children – while rejecting their sexual orientation. Ironically, the group has never been lead by a person who is actually the parent of an ex-gay individual." Check that last sentence again. Looks to me like this group, founded in dishonesty, is still mired there.
Originally Posted By dshyates "Simply put, there's no such thing as an "ex-gay". Many, many people disagree with you. Including me." I am more willing to believe that you know "still-gays" that have been haranged and ostrisized to the point they are will to lie to the world and live a life of deciet as opposed to continuing to live a gay life style. Don't be surprised when thier family blows apart, and everyone involved ends up hurt. Just ask my ex wife how it feels. During my 18 year marriage, if you would have asked me if I was gay I would have lied to you and point at my beautiful wife and children as proof I was straight. So you have friends that are members of a very anti-gay chruch who now claim they are no longer gay, I shocked.
Originally Posted By gadzuux >> Many, many people disagree with you. Including me. But I won't go into the gay discussion here again. Been there way too many times, and I'm way too busy. << Plus, you gave up any credibility long ago. It simply doesn't matter what you do or don't agree with because you've demonstrated a complete lack of understanding of the topic and a willingness to be deliberately obtuse in the face of irrefutable facts, favoring church dogma over reality.
Originally Posted By dshyates Gad, be nice. Some people can't help being obtuse. They have glandular problems.
Originally Posted By Labuda As for whether or not we were hotties - I'd go with at least 8 of the 10 of us being hotties. I was never thin, so that likely puts me out (was just kind of "average" weight back then), and one of the ladies was 40. LOL Oh, as for the techhie girls being freaks - yes we can be!
Originally Posted By Labuda "Because if there is, I look forward to the possibility of meeting an ex-caucasian or an ex-Chinese or an ex-german shepherd someday. The likelihood is just as great." I'll be an ex-caucasian in the future. I will become such at the moment I die. So, should I make sure you get an invite to my funeral?
Originally Posted By mele <Oh, as for the techhie girls being freaks - yes we can be!>> It's all the Mountain Dew and fluorescent lighting.
Originally Posted By BlueDevilSF I've noticed that techie girls tend not to go for techie guys. They're more woman than those geeks can handle.
Originally Posted By Labuda Hmmm, good point, BDSF. I only ever dated directors, never techies or actors.
Originally Posted By BlueDevilSF Well of COURSE you don't date actors. Finding a straight one is tough work!
Originally Posted By Labuda ^^ funny story - when my theatre did Alter Boys a year or two ago, all the actors in it were gay EXCEPT for the actor playing the gay character. hehe
