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Originally Posted By BlueDevilSF

I believe it!

 

Originally Posted By BlueDevilSF

I'm surprised, though, that he wasn't converted by the end of the show's run. After all, according to a certain actor who posts here, conversion is rampant backstage.

 

Originally Posted By mele

C'mon, be gay. Everybody's doing it. What, are you chicken?

 

Originally Posted By BlueDevilSF

And if you don't like it, you can always switch back!

 

Originally Posted By utahjosh

Happens more than you think.

 

Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder

"Happens more than you think."

You REALLY don't get it, do you?

 

Originally Posted By BlueDevilSF

Josh, I challenge you to have sex with a guy. I'd volunteer, but...nah. You're not my type.

 

Originally Posted By utahjosh

"Happens more than you think."

You REALLY don't get it, do you?

I've been around long enough to know what you and other believe on the topic. I have my beliefs based on friends I've known.

 

Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder

"I've been around long enough to know what you and other believe on the topic. I have my beliefs based on friends I've known"

Please, you're killing me. If your friends "switched back", then they really weren't gay, they were curious. But you don't get the distinction.

 

Originally Posted By mele

And here's another example of utahjosh thinking he knows more about being gay than gay people.

 

Originally Posted By skinnerbox

<<If your friends "switched back", then they really weren't gay, they were curious.>>

Or the pain and anguish of being gay in a society and/or community which overwhelmingly condemns homosexuality through actions such as public and financial endorsement of Prop 8, was too much to bear.

Gays who desperately want to not be gay will spend thousands of their hard-earned dollars in transitional therapy, in order to "cure" their gayness. Or they will attend church groups to "pray away the gay," or seek private psychotherapy to become straight. The point is, the desire to be "like everyone else" in some gays is so strong, that they will first convince themselves and consequently, everyone else around them, that they're no longer gay, and literally kill themselves to prove it. But if they're truly homosexual, and not just bi curious, they're deceiving themselves on a massive level, which will ultimately harm them and their family, deeply.

Just because someone who's desperate not to be gay has now found themselves to be "cured" does not mean that they're still not gay and lying to themselves first. And having friends who are overtly or covertly supportive of straight-only marriage does not help the "former gay" in this regard. Anyone who is against gay rights and gay marriage is not objective enough to know whether or not the "former gay" friend is being brutally honest with them. They could be carrying on gay sexual encounters a la Ted Haggard and their closest friends would never even know it. But even if they weren't engaging in this behavior, and they lived the complete heterosexual married with kids lifestyle, that still does not prove that they're now straight.

In order to keep their friends and family members in their lives, these gays will do anything to convince themselves that they truly are "cured" of the gay.

 

Originally Posted By utahjosh

You wish. I know the truth.

 

Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder

"You wish. I know the truth."

Personal experience then?

 

Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder

Still waiting to hear about ex-midgets.

 

Originally Posted By mawnck

>>And here's another example of utahjosh thinking he knows more about being gay than gay people. <<

On that you have my sympathy. ;-)

 

Originally Posted By plpeters70

<<"You wish. I know the truth."

Personal experience then?>>

Frankly, I don't see how it could be anything else. Unless josh has personally struggled with his sexuality, I don't understand how he can be so confident in claiming he "knows the truth" about gays.

Hell, I'm gay and even I won't claim to "know the truth" about people who have trouble identifing themselves as one thing or the other.

 

Originally Posted By Dabob2

Don't forget that in the Mormon church, "The Truth" can be given by the church itself, and thus its believers "know" it. If doubtful, they may pray about it, and - ta da! - they reach the church's conclusion, and are then even more convinced that they "know" "the truth."

This is how it was explained to me by Mormon friends, and essentially how Josh has described it too, though he may now claim I'm getting it wrong.

 

Originally Posted By gadzuux

>> I know the truth. <<

Pride is the deadliest sin of them all.

Your immortal soul is in peril, josh. You keep trying to shout down the facts with "your truth", as if you alone know better than the people who live the entirety of their daily lives in the reality that is homosexuality.

A wiser person might listen to what those around him with personal experience in the matter are saying, but not you. Instead, you're content to churn out mormon dogma on a topic that you know nothing about. It's childish and shallow minded, and suspiciously defensive.

If you come from a position that your church's teachings are infallible, just recognize it for what it is and say so. You could consider the possibility that your church is, in fact, WRONG on this matter, but that might shake the very foundations of your personal faith. If so, those foundations must be pretty shaky to begin with. You've created a very fragile world to surround yourself with, and the slightest upset might topple it all.

I guess the only solution is to jump in with both feet, and place all of your hopes and dreams and belief structures into this one egg basket, and hope that they're right - about everything. And even if they're wrong, and YOU are wrong as a result, you're absolved of all responsibility for your own actions, because you were "just following orders". I suppose you can find some comfort and solace in that. But to everybody else, you're just another victim.

OR - you could think for yourself ... nah - too risky.

 

Originally Posted By ecdc

Post 77 strikes me as a very astute summary of how it works.

Words like "truth" and "know" mean very specific things to Mormons. It is a religion of certainty, not faith. In fact, the Book of Mormon has an alternate definition to Paul's definition of faith as something that is hoped for. In Mormonism, the phrase "which are TRUE" is added on. So if you have "faith" in something that isn't true, then it isn't really faith. And only Mormonism is true. Convenient, no?

 

Originally Posted By utahjosh

<Your immortal soul is in peril, josh. >

Who are you to judge, kiddo?