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Originally Posted By ecdc

Plausibly Denying Dalmations

 

Originally Posted By ecdc

>>You guys are hilarious.<<

That's it?

There's a memo from the Church saying it will pretend to not be involved to cause plausible deniability and you come up with a weak response like that? It's a common tactic when you've got nothing - act as if the assertions of the other side are so beneath you as to be "hilarious." But it won't fly.

You sat here and told us the church encouraged members to get involved but wouldn't get involved themselves. You said "sacred thing" funds wouldn't be used.

The second assertion was proven false long ago. Now the first has too. And not only were they involved, they went on a deliberate campaign of misinformation to deny their involvement.

Where I come from, that's called "lying."

 

Originally Posted By mawnck

Maybe he thinks it's hilarious because it worked and they got away with it.

Sigh.

 

Originally Posted By BlueDevilSF

The one who really needs to be here reading this thread is ElderP. After all he's the one who actually worked on the campaign and donated money to it.

What he did the day after the vote was one of the most despicable things I've seen in WE.

 

Originally Posted By ecdc

>>Maybe he thinks it's hilarious because it worked and they got away with it.<<

Oh I get it now. Yeah, that is a gas. "We took the most sacred thing away from people then whined about our sacred temple being shown on Big Love."

That is a knee-slapping, rip roarin' good time.

 

Originally Posted By BlueDevilSF

I just saw that episode last week. It was a good one!

 

Originally Posted By Mr X

"We took the most sacred thing away from people then whined about our sacred temple being shown on Big Love."

Exactly!!

You know, those few days after the vote was a turning point for me as far as my perception of Mormon folk.

Prior to that I always thought they were sincere and decent, if misguided (misguided is certainly not exclusive to Utah though, I thought at the time).

And growing up Catholic, I could sort of see where they thought they were coming from. But most the Catholics *I* know wouldn't display what I saw from them at that time.

There was something sinister in the obnoxious schadenfreude on full display. Add to that the hypocrisy of their "how dare you!?" faux outrage every-time THEIR important stuff is called into question...it's simply galling.

 

Originally Posted By ecdc

>>What he did the day after the vote was one of the most despicable things I've seen in WE.<<

In fairness, I think he was a good guy. Just clueless.

And that's kind of the recurring theme here. All the responses and statements from Mormons seem to show that they were genuinely surprised at the hatred they engendered. The protests at the temples, Mormons losing their jobs in the entertainment industry, the backlash. They weren't expecting it. Which shows how clueless they were, and a kind of disturbing ability to divorce their actions from the terrible and cruel harm they were doing.

And the statements from church leaders about how "people of good will can disagree" just shows how little they get it. We're not debating tax law, for crying out loud. We're talking about people's rights, equality, and messing with the relationships they hold most dear.

People see the Mormons as akin to segregationists in the south in the 1950s. And instead of that being a wakeup call to just how far on the wrong side they are, they see it as further evidence of their correctness because it's only natural that persecution will follow righteousness. What a warped way of thinking.

 

Originally Posted By mele

I thought he was a good guy until he said that his children shouldn't have to learn that there are other types of families while they attend PUBLIC SCHOOL. Disgusting.

 

Originally Posted By ecdc

Yes, it is disgusting. No argument there. And again, all done under this myth, invented whole cloth, of "traditional families."

But, never attribute to malice what you can attribute to ignorance. And there's buckets of it out there.

 

Originally Posted By utahjosh

Calling "traditional families" as not historic is disingenuous. It's not a Victorian ideal. Sure, many societies in history have been polygamous. But think of the most famous family in history. Joseph, Mary, Jesus. Mom, DAd Kid. The very best example for how to have a family here on earth.

Oh, and by the way... YOU WILL NEVER convince me that God doesn't live, that Joseph Smith wasn't a prophet, or that the Book of Mormon isn't what it claims to be. NEVER. EVER. God himself is the only one who could change my mind about that. Call me ignorant, misguided, simple, whatever words you want, I just read them and realize how lucky I really am.

 

Originally Posted By Sport Goofy

<< But think of the most famous family in history. Joseph, Mary, Jesus. Mom, DAd Kid. The very best example for how to have a family here on earth. >>

So, you recommend all babies be born out of wedlock?

Oh, and then there's my favorite bumper sticker of all time:

"Jesus had two Daddies"

 

Originally Posted By utahjosh

Yeah, that family was a little different - but with the son needing to be a literal son of God, well, things had to be a little different.

I don't mean to come here and preach. I typically only post when I see somethign that I feel is incorrect, and I try to make a quick point. It's usually followed with quick attacks on my beliefs and references to 1979 and Prop 8, and jabs at my intelligence.

 

Originally Posted By BlueDevilSF

>>Oh, and by the way... YOU WILL NEVER convince me that God doesn't live, that Joseph Smith wasn't a prophet, or that the Book of Mormon isn't what it claims to be. NEVER. EVER. God himself is the only one who could change my mind about that. Call me ignorant, misguided, simple, whatever words you want, I just read them and realize how lucky I really am.<<

You could've saved a lot of typing if you'd simply wrote: "*fingers in ears* La la la...can't hear you!"

 

Originally Posted By utahjosh

It's interesting because the basis of my life, what I'm deicated to and what drives my every decision - is considered by many to be foolish and sometimes even evil. It makes it pretty tough to come together on a topic. Especially when others are fixed in what they belive to be fact.

 

Originally Posted By BlueDevilSF

>>It's usually followed with quick attacks on my beliefs<<

Your church demonizes folks like me and you expect me to lie down and take it? No. Friggin'. Way.

At least I don't work on legislation to outlaw with Mormonism. Maybe I should start.

 

Originally Posted By utahjosh

<You could've saved a lot of typing if you'd simply wrote: "*fingers in ears* La la la...can't hear you!">

I'll be glad to discuss actual specific items when I feel like it. But I just feel I should remind you guys where I am coming from once in a while.

 

Originally Posted By utahjosh

<At least I don't work on legislation to outlaw with Mormonism. Maybe I should start. >

Wouldn't be the first time it's been done. Are you familiar with Bogg's extermination order? Maybe you can fight to restore it.

 

Originally Posted By BlueDevilSF

Oh believe me, you've made it crystal clear where you're coming from.

All I can say is I hope our paths never cross at an LP meet or anywhere else for that matter.

 

Originally Posted By utahjosh

Why not? That almost sounded like a threat.