Originally Posted By mele It's a tempting though, BlueDevil, to be sure. Especially when they've shown themselves to be a danger to me and to nearly all of my friends. But, as dangerous as they are, I won't move against them the way they've moved against me. Then I'd be *like* them and there's really nothing worse than that.
Originally Posted By utahjosh Do you guys feel that same way about half of california? The ones who actually voted on the prop 8 issue? Or just me, some guy on a message board?
Originally Posted By utahjosh I took "them" to meen the Mormons, of course. What about the rest of CA that voted against prop 8. Go pick a fight with "them."
Originally Posted By ecdc >>Calling "traditional families" as not historic is disingenuous. It's not a Victorian ideal. Sure, many societies in history have been polygamous. But think of the most famous family in history. Joseph, Mary, Jesus. Mom, DAd Kid. The very best example for how to have a family here on earth.<< Human history spans a lot more than that period. You've got like 10,000 years before that to account for. And your response is a typical uneducated response: you take one anecdotal example and project it onto everything else, sans facts. When all is said and done, you're wrong, Josh.
Originally Posted By utahjosh When all is said and done, i'm wrong about what, ecdc? On the history of marriage? We've hardly done our research to make that decision.
Originally Posted By ecdc >>It's interesting because the basis of my life, what I'm deicated to and what drives my every decision - is considered by many to be foolish and sometimes even evil. It makes it pretty tough to come together on a topic. Especially when others are fixed in what they belive to be fact.<< How curious that you play the victim and tell us this in an effort to garner respect, when you won't do the same thing for others? The most important thing in my life is my marriage, Josh. Nothing else comes close. You showed no respect for that for millions of people, Josh. How can you be so disconnected to not see that and then turn around and wonder why you and your fellow religionists get treated the way you do? What you did was cruel, Josh. What your church did was cruel. It was wrong. Play the persecution complex all you want. What you did was wrong. And if there is a god, he, she, or it is appalled.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***But think of the most famous family in history. Joseph, Mary, Jesus. Mom, DAd Kid.*** That's funny, I just asked Mrs X if she'd heard of "Joseph and Mary" and she was like "who?". Just goes to show how myopic your world view is. I'd be willing to bet that more people world wide are familiar with Mr. and Mrs. Claus (childless couple) or the Jacksons (dysfunctional mess) than with Jesus, never mind his family history (which would be single Mom with foster Dad, by the way). ***The very best example for how to have a family here on earth.*** If you say so.
Originally Posted By ecdc >>I disagree. What we did was not wrong, you just disagreed with it.<< Josh, surely you can see the irony that the group who claims to do this out of moral conviction then suddenly pulls the post-modern argument against moral certainty? There's right and there's wrong in this, and you're wrong. So we can dispense with the "Oh we all just have our opinion and you disagree." Your line could be used on anything. "Oh, what Boggs did wasn't wrong. We just disagreed with it." "What the Illinois mob did to Joseph Smith wasn't wrong. We just disagreed with it."
Originally Posted By BlueDevilSF >>Why not? That almost sounded like a threat.<< I don't like you. I have little to nothing in common with you. Why would I ever want to be in close proximity?
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "Oh, and by the way... YOU WILL NEVER convince me that God doesn't live, that Joseph Smith wasn't a prophet, or that the Book of Mormon isn't what it claims to be. NEVER. EVER. God himself is the only one who could change my mind about that. Call me ignorant, misguided, simple, whatever words you want, I just read them and realize how lucky I really am." Don't worry, you're not worth it.
Originally Posted By plpeters70 <<such kindness.>> One who supports denying an entire group of people the right to marry who they love DOES NOT get to complain about people being unkind to them.
Originally Posted By ecdc That's what I mean. They truly do not get it. They don't see their actions as unkind or cruel, yet they're so quick to call others on it. The compartmentalization is remarkable. It would be fascinating to study if so many people weren't getting hurt by their actions.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***such kindness.*** The many gleeful statements of intolerance and prejudice you've made here, Josh, have placed you squarely in the number one spot as the most unkind person I've ever encountered, either here in virtual world or in real life. Just thought you should know.
Originally Posted By ChurroMonster utahjosh: "Oh, and by the way... YOU WILL NEVER convince me that God doesn't live, that Joseph Smith wasn't a prophet, or that the Book of Mormon isn't what it claims to be. NEVER. EVER. God himself is the only one who could change my mind about that. Call me ignorant, misguided, simple, whatever words you want, I just read them and realize how lucky I really am." And you will NEVER convince any of us that your nutzo beliefs are the way to go so stop bringing them up in EVERY discussion if you don't want them mocked and belittled.
