Originally Posted By utahjosh <If the church has stated its position on a given subject--and I'm not talking theology here, I'm talking about a secular social issue--IS is possible for you to change your mind about it?> If the church leadership was all together on the idea, and it dame from their official positions - I would follow their counsel. Even if I disagreed with it for some reason. That's scary to some, I know. Not to me.
Originally Posted By Sport Goofy Hope the leadership doesn't get all together and officially invite you to drink any Kool-Aid!
Originally Posted By gadzuux It's not scary - it's irresponsible. You're forfeiting your own better judgement for someone else's - and you don't know what their motives may be. It's "faith" alone on which you base your own beliefs and actions. As you know, you've had countless people on these boards telling you flat out point blank that you're wrong. Yet you refuse to even consider the possibility because somebody ELSE has told you that you're right. Who are these people and what are their motives? You don't know. You may THINK you do, but you don't really. You just blindly trust in the benevolence of these unknown men to make all of your important decisions for you. It no longer matters what you think, or other people you know and love and trust think - all that matters is what these unknown people dictate that you think. Even if it involves the denial of basic human rights and equality for millions of people you'll don't know and who live a thousand miles away. How is this different from being a cult member?
Originally Posted By utahjosh <You're forfeiting your own better judgement for someone else's - and you don't know what their motives may be. It's "faith" alone on which you base your own beliefs and actions. > That's right. Faith. You are right. Too bad there is so little of it left in this world.
Originally Posted By Sport Goofy << Too bad there is so little of it left in this world. >> There's plenty left. Like the faith that Islamic suicide bombers have that there will be 70 virgins waiting for them on the other side. There's lots of faith out there.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <If the church has stated its position on a given subject--and I'm not talking theology here, I'm talking about a secular social issue--IS is possible for you to change your mind about it?> <If the church leadership was all together on the idea, and it dame from their official positions - I would follow their counsel. Even if I disagreed with it for some reason. That's scary to some, I know. Not to me.> Putting aside the scariness aspect for a second... this pretty much is the definition of holding fast to a fixed position - which is exactly what you accused others of. Just about everyone else here is NOT guilty of that, at least not constantly. It's hard to think of one regular poster here who hasn't listened to an argument and said "hm - good point - hadn't thought of that" and/or at least modified his or her position on something or the other. If not within a thread, then certainly over the years. Yet here you are saying you won't do that, if the church hierarchy says so. You do the very thing you incorrectly accuse others of doing. Just giving you a little food for thought. Though I know that may be scary to you.
Originally Posted By utahjosh More put-downs. I stand by my beliefs, but I'm not here constantly belittling others or insinuating stupidity. I accuse many of you to thinking you know things are true that aren't. And I've said MULTIPLE times that i'm 100% dedicated to God, through the LDS Church. I'll never part from that.
Originally Posted By mawnck >>I stand by my beliefs, but I'm not here constantly belittling others or insinuating stupidity. << And yet, you're here constantly having it done to you. Hey ... you haven't been ASSIGNED to us, have you?
Originally Posted By utahjosh Nope. I just enjoy Disney a lot and a while back started checking out these WE threads. I'll continue to share my point of view again and again and again.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 More put-downs. I stand by my beliefs, but I'm not here constantly belittling others or insinuating stupidity." If you're referring to me, I didn't do that. Merely pointed out that you did the very thing you earlier accused others of doing. That's not stupid, though it is hypocritical. "I accuse many of you to thinking you know things are true that aren't." Everyone does that sometimes. The difference is that you won't admit to it or even admit to the possibility (!)of it if it's something the church has weighed in on. "And I've said MULTIPLE times that i'm 100% dedicated to God, through the LDS Church. I'll never part from that." Countless ex-Mormons (and ex-Catholics and ex-Muslims and ex- whathaveyous) have said the same.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder Devout Mormons scare me more than any terrorist ever could. Just thought I'd throw that out there. Mindbogglingly scary. Anyone who is that unapologetic about being that mindless- what's the difference between them and a suicide bomber who yells Allah! just before he explodes? Not even questioning what they're force fed? Al Qaeda wanted to bring down our economic system by hitting the Twin Towers. Mormons want to re-structure the country's social mores by rigging elections and then lying about it as they go. I think I respect Al Qaeda a bit more- at least they're honest about it while they hit you. The Mormons lie to your face.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***Too bad there is so little of it left in this world.*** What are you, kidding!? There's gobs and gobs of "faith" left in the world. "Faith" got us 2 terms of Bush. "Faith" killed hundreds of thousands in the middle east. "Faith" brought the twin towers down. Surely you jest.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***Hm, I don't think we need more of that faith, thanks.*** Exactly. But you can't have it both ways. People wanting more "faith" have to realize that with more of that comes more horrors as well.
