Originally Posted By danyoung >After thinking about it, the company line of splitting the Dumbos so that lines will be shorter is a ploy.< I'm not sure how you can say that double the capacity is a ploy. But you may be right in that the lines might not end up shorter. If the single line averaged 60 minutes before, then you'd think the new split lines would be 30 minutes apiece. And then people, seeing only a 30 minute line, might tend to go ahead and jump on, eventually making TWO 60 minute lines. I'll bet the final truth will be somwhere between these two extremes. But as twice the people will be able to ride per hour, more people will be able to enjoy the ride. And overall that seems to be a good thing.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer I don't get the allure of Dumbo, especially now, that it's been moved away from the Castle. What will you fly around, now? Trees? No more view of Fantasyland....
Originally Posted By danyoung I'd bet that it's not about the view - it's about a kid being able to FLY WITH DUMBO! I've never seen the appeal either - I'd much rather ride the Astro Orbiter and fly high above Tomorrowland. But then, on my visit to Disneyland with my late mother a few years ago, the one thing she really wanted to do was Dumbo. And the look on her face as she was flying high was a greatly cherished memory!
Originally Posted By MousDad >>I'm not sure how you can say that double the capacity is a ploy. But you may be right in that the lines might not end up shorter. If the single line averaged 60 minutes before, then you'd think the new split lines would be 30 minutes apiece. And then people, seeing only a 30 minute line, might tend to go ahead and jump on, eventually making TWO 60 minute lines. I'll bet the final truth will be somwhere between these two extremes. But as twice the people will be able to ride per hour, more people will be able to enjoy the ride. And overall that seems to be a good thing.<< I'm not saying it's a bad thing. Just saying that they were in reality looking at increasing capacity, not shortening wait times.
Originally Posted By ChiMike >>I don't get the allure of Dumbo, especially now, that it's been moved away from the Castle. What will you fly around, now? Trees? No more view of Fantasyland....<< I'm glad you said that. It's surprising that the point is not brought up more. I think it will be a big downgrade. It's been relegated to an Aladdin spinner setting. As a Carousel would be if it sat next to an identical Carousel, something also is lost when you put a carbon copy right next to it. The biggest issue I have is they blew the opportunity to entirely re-think the raceway area and the transition into what's left of a Tomorrowland theme. The Toontown re-do should have absolutely been tied to a new concept for the raceway.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt I agree with those who say this looks underwhelming, but I think it's miles ahead of what it replaced. WDW's version of Toontown was just awful.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "What will you fly around, now? Trees? No more view of Fantasyland..." You will be flying over Dumbo's circus. Is that a bad thing?
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<I agree with those who say this looks underwhelming, but I think it's miles ahead of what it replaced. WDW's version of Toontown was just awful.>> But it's the same exact thing. Aside from the moved Dumbo, it's Toontown all over again. Tents with shops/Meet and Greets, a Goofy-themed coaster, and a water playground to replace Donald's Boat.
Originally Posted By Autopia Deb Little kids seem to universally love the Dumbo ride and I don't think its biggest fans care if the view is of the castle or of circus tents.
Originally Posted By ChiMike >>You will be flying over Dumbo's circus. Is that a bad thing?<< Dumbo's circus? Not sure what you saw in the picture. All I see is trees and tents. More than likely you won't have much of a view of what is occurring in the tents or outside in the rest of the new mini-land. I think it's a big mistake. These rides are meant to be viewed from the "Midway" Maybe there will be less of a tree barrier between it and the main walkway...
Originally Posted By ChiMike >>Little kids seem to universally love the Dumbo ride and I don't think its biggest fans care if the view is of the castle or of circus tents.<< Deb, I agree with you. But that shouldn't be the test on whether something is designed well or is a good initiative. The Pooh playground was enjoyed by kids, they didn't care what it replaced or why it existed. That doesn't stop folks from acknowledging that it was an inferior offering that is now thankfully being replaced.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "But it's the same exact thing. Aside from the moved Dumbo, it's Toontown all over again." Yes, content-wise it isn't an improvement, however the appearance and retheming of this area appears to be a big improvement. I look at it the same way as I look at the current changes to DCA: aside from Carsland, which is the only expansion, it's mostly cosmetic, yet the impact its having on the look and feel of the place is significant.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt Little kids seem to universally love the Dumbo ride and I don't think its biggest fans care if the view is of the castle or of circus tents." Agreed. Look, I can't even remember the last time I even looked at Dumbo while in one of the parks, but I can understand why Disney is dedicated time and energy on this because the attraction is hugely popular among families with small children. Would I prefer that Disney spend money on some fabulous new E ticket at the MK? Yes, of course, however I see nothing wrong with upgrading classic attractions too. "Dumbo's circus? Not sure what you saw in the picture. All I see is trees and tents." I also see a small roller coaster and a Casey Jr themed water playground along with a depot for the WDW RR.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>I'm glad you said that. It's surprising that the point is not brought up more. I think it will be a big downgrade. It's been relegated to an Aladdin spinner setting. As a Carousel would be if it sat next to an identical Carousel, something also is lost when you put a carbon copy right next to it. The biggest issue I have is they blew the opportunity to entirely re-think the raceway area and the transition into what's left of a Tomorrowland theme. The Toontown re-do should have absolutely been tied to a new concept for the raceway.<<< Agreed totally. So much could have been fixed.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>>Little kids seem to universally love the Dumbo ride and I don't think its biggest fans care if the view is of the castle or of circus tents.<<< I thought that was the allure, this whole time. LOL
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt I actually wish the raceway would go away, but that's another topic.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>>>You will be flying over Dumbo's circus. Is that a bad thing?<<<<< Nope, but it's not the Castle, of all things.
