Originally Posted By Bob Paris 1 "Haven't seen Aliens yet." UUuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuummmmmmmmmmmmm.................Okay. WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So YOU are that last person on the planet that has not seen one of the greatest films of all time?!? You know, back when Cameron had to use his initiative, wrote good stories(when he wasn't stealing from Harlan Ellison - and yes, that is my second H.E. name drop in less than a week!)and came up with ingenious ways to create SPECIAL effects that did not involve having eighty computer techs rendering wire frames in Macs. Go. Watch. Aliens. Right. NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Originally Posted By mrkthompsn I think this is fantastic news. They could also rebrand the park "Adventure Kingdom"
Originally Posted By Daannzzz This article kind of sums up how I feel. It's not that the place won't look great and the ride be awesome just an odd choicer. <a href="http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/opinion/views/os-mike-thomas-disney-avatar-092211-20110921,0,5826653.column" target="_blank">http://www.orlandosentinel.com...3.column</a>
Originally Posted By ChiMike >>That make me chuckle - E.T. Adventure was/is horrific - a perfect example of an attraction that cost a fortune but failed creatively<< Again, I am not advocating that ET is revolutionary, but I am having a hard time watching the nails come out by posters in the past who have defended such beauties as Superstar Limo and Winnie the Pooh @ DL. Let's throw in the new Canada Circlevision and "Donald boat ride" while we are at it for Lee. Put this in perspective, ET cost about 19 million in 1991 for the Florida version. From 1999 to 2002 Disney spent 10 million to replace Journey Into Imagination twice. That figure of course was in addition to already having a showbuilding, ride hardware, ride control system, partitioned showrooms, etc. Which project today still gets crowds backing up to get on the attraction? Umm, E.T. So again, I am not here to defend ET with my last dying breath. I agree with what Jim and others mentioned, but some folks are awfully selective in which projects they want to say were expensive, creative, blunders.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA 'Liking' an attraction can be very subjective thing I think... I liked 'Superstar Limo' -- I didn't really like 'E.T.' -- Can't explain it totally, but there you go.
Originally Posted By ChiMike Gezz. It reads like he has been reading a few threads out there. Pretty easy gig to have a lot of material written for you - even the title.
Originally Posted By ChiMike >>'Liking' an attraction can be very subjective thing I think... I liked 'Superstar Limo' -- I didn't really like 'E.T.' -- Can't explain it totally, but there you go.<< No big deal really, I get it. I like ET for what it is, just as I like Snow White for what it is and I like parts of DCA for what they are. Without question it is subjective, like any sort of creative/recreational output. Just like to point out some inconsistencies.
Originally Posted By leemac <<Again, I am not advocating that ET is revolutionary, but I am having a hard time watching the nails come out by posters in the past who have defended such beauties as Superstar Limo and Winnie the Pooh @ DL. Let's throw in the new Canada Circlevision and "Donald boat ride" while we are at it for Lee.>> Well I won't be able to convince you otherwise then Mike. I like all four of the examples you mentioned - I'll happily defend SSL as a concept - it was just poorly executed. I like the Pooh ride - it is cute - it is just a modern dark ride. I like Marty Short so happy with O Canada. I also like The Three Cabs layover to Mexico (and I hated the original) - sure it could have been a whole lot more but George Scribner's animation is excellent. E.T. was a basket case - poor concept poorly executed. And your $19m number is way off the mark. I know for a fact that the structural changes were more than that on their own.
Originally Posted By ChiMike >>And your $19m number is way off the mark. I know for a fact that the structural changes were more than that on their own<< The entire Orlando Universal project rang in at $243 million. That's everything down to the parking gate. Kong was $31 million. The original Jaws $27 million, and ET and Earthquake about $20 million. That's coming from a industry article that I would have to dig out, but I vividly remember the amounts because I was blown away at how, even then, during DLP, how efficient Universal's costs were. Now that doesn't take into account the millions they poured into fixing Jaws and other issues such as you suggest for ET.
Originally Posted By ChiMike >>Well I won't be able to convince you otherwise then Mike. I like all four of the examples you mentioned - I'll happily defend SSL as a concept - it was just poorly executed. I like the Pooh ride - it is cute - it is just a modern dark ride. I like Marty Short so happy with O Canada. I also like The Three Cabs layover to Mexico (and I hated the original) - sure it could have been a whole lot more but George Scribner's animation is excellent. E.T. was a basket case - poor concept poorly executed. << What, after 10 years here. I certainly don't begrudge you Lee for your intrinsicies. It just doesn't wash for me. I also believe it doesn't wash for the public for the most part either. The public enjoys ET for what it is. They did not enjoy SSL or JIYI for what they were. So I don't understand how SSL was not a poor concept but escaping and flying with ET to his home planet to help his friends and family was a poor concept. Execution is a whole other matter in which I think we are in agreement.
Originally Posted By leemac <<I certainly don't begrudge you Lee for your intrinsicies.?>> LOL - is that just a polite way of saying that I'm barking mad?
Originally Posted By u k fan My first experience of ET was horrendous! My nephew who was 3 at the time suddenly needed the toilet while we were in line and had to go in an empty water bottle (thank goodness it's dark in there) and then proceeded to be terrified by the ride itself and screamed the whole way round! Good times!!!
Originally Posted By ChiMike No,. In all seriousness. I genuinely have come to appreciate your take on things. Still frustrating at times, however somewhat endearing also.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "My nephew who was 3 at the time suddenly needed the toilet while we were in line and had to go in an empty water bottle (thank goodness it's dark in there) and then proceeded to be terrified by the ride itself and screamed the whole way round!" Oh my god. That sounds terrible and funny at the same time.
Originally Posted By ptrcarlson A question I have't seen addressed yet: has anyone thought about how this is going to affect the actual animals at AK? I always thought the reason there wasn't a lot of nighttime activity (especially fireworks) was out of respect for the animals and their behavioral patterns. Will some crazy lit-up land with a ton of late night commotion be the best for a park that has always advocated care for the animals? Just wondering. I love nighttime shows as much as the next guy, but I've always liked that AK has a more peaceful feel to it. That's my biggest concern about this project.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt I think it's a tad too early to worry about that since apparently nothing is even on the drawing boards yet.
Originally Posted By ChiMike ptrcarlson, The park was originally designed to be open at night. Notice the unbelievable skill and care that went into the park's lighting schemes. If this land goes where Beastly Kingdom was intended, it will be strategically placed away from most of the animal pens. Fireworks are a whole different matter. With more attraction area like Avatar not being there from day 1, the only reason the park hasn't been open at night is that there was nothing to do once the animal exhibits closed for the day. I don't see it being a problem. It has been planned for since day 1. It does look like they might now need to relocate some backstage areas looking at a current aeriel, but I couldn't tell you.
Originally Posted By wahooskipper Hmmm...I always liked ET. My 8 year old enjoyed it his last trip but my then 4 your old didn't care much for the intro with the police chase. Once we got into the whimsical ET world though she was fine.
