Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt <<Why? Since when is acreage a determining factor on how good, bad, or popular something will be?>> “Because the way they made it out, this was going to be a sprawling addition.” 12 acres is huge for any theme park expansion, and like I said, the size of the place shouldn’t be a factor in deciding whether the final work produced is good or bad. “And every Dinsey fan moans and laughs at WWoHP for being so small, and yet this expansion is apparently going to be about half of it?” I don’t recall laughter, but I have heard that the layout of WWoHP combined with the massive crowds has created a lot of bottlenecks, particularly in the shops. As long as Disney keeps Avartarland’s traffic flow under control with smart design and utilizes ride systems that have high visitor throughput the overall footprint isn’t all that important. <<AK is the largest Disney park at WDW, yet its the least attended.>> "No, it's not. DHS had the lowest attendance last year." Well relative to its massive size it certainly is.
Originally Posted By mrkthompsn <<So according to Cameron this is only going to be "12 acres of Pandora".>> Remember, Pandora keeps going upwards
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<12 acres is huge for any theme park expansion, and like I said, the size of the place shouldn’t be a factor in deciding whether the final work produced is good or bad. >> I didn't say it would be bad. But half the size of Wizarding world certainly isn't huge. It'll be marginally bigger than the part of WW not taken up by Dueling Dragons. Not really that huge. It'll probably be good. But it's not this huge addition I think many people had in their head. <<As long as Disney keeps Avartarland’s traffic flow under control with smart design and utilizes ride systems that have high visitor throughput the overall footprint isn’t all that important.>> The shops get crowded, but it is far from a problem. And Forbidden Journey has one of the best throughputs on the planet, to be honest. I really don't give a crap what size it is. But I would like this to be documented. because if the place is tiny, I can't wait to hear the hypocritical fans saying how much they love the tight spaces. <<Well relative to its massive size it certainly is.>> Well, it has the lowest capacity. So proportionally that's not really the case.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt “It'll probably be good. But it's not this huge addition I think many people had in their head.” It isn’t? What would be huge to you? How many other Disney theme park expansions in history have been bigger? <<Well relative to its massive size it certainly is.>> "Well, it has the lowest capacity. So proportionally that's not really the case.” There you go getting all technical now. I think you know what I meant.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<It isn’t? What would be huge to you? How many other Disney theme park expansions in history have been bigger?>> I dunno. And generally I don't care. But the way it was explained, and with all the room DAK has, I expected bigger. I mean, the Hong Kong Disneyland expansion is adding like 30 some acres to the park.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper ^^^Add in the reported budget, and I definitely expected this to take up more room.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt And boy oh boy is it needed. That MK park has what, 10 rides maybe?
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "Add in the reported budget, and I definitely expected this to take up more room." DCA's Cars Land is 12 acres and is reportedly hitting the $600 million mark, $100 million less than the reported budget for Avatar-land.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<And boy oh boy is it needed. That MK park has what, 10 rides maybe?>> They're equal on attractions. I'd say both of them need a big expansion like that.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<DCA's Cars Land is 12 acres and is reportedly hitting the $600 million mark, $100 million less than the reported budget for Avatar-land.>> You mean more? Avatar is reported 500 mill from most reliable sources.
Originally Posted By tonyanton Does the acreage for WWoHP include the land the two pre-existing roller coasters sit on? If so, then the actual "expansion" is fairly small land-wise.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "I'd say both of them need a big expansion like that." I agree, although I'd say that HKDL is the bigger loser because the expectation is that a MK park be busting at the seams with things to see and do. "You mean more?" Yes.
Originally Posted By Bob Paris 1 "As long as Disney keeps Avartarland’s traffic flow under control with smart design and utilizes ride systems that have high visitor throughput the overall footprint isn’t all that important." That's gonna be a LOT of blue dragon spinners then!
Originally Posted By oc_dean ^^^^ LOL No one can blame those of us with all the cynical reactions and comments. Disney has done A LOT to pull back on building the kind of quality and ambitious attractions of an earlier time. They have a lot of making-up to do .... to change our minds, regarding them.
Originally Posted By oc_dean The same thinking that's going on with DCA at the moment ... has to permeate back to those tight-wad executives in Florida! Or just forget it !!
Originally Posted By Manfried <<DCA's Cars Land is 12 acres and is reportedly hitting the $600 million mark, $100 million less than the reported budget for Avatar-land.>> 12 acres is a huge amount of space. Disneyland barely covers 100 acres inside the berm yet does quite nicely. Would a separate gate for Avatarland make everyone happy? I know it could be divided into several different zones, Avatomorrowland, Avaventureland, Avafantaland, Avafrontland and of course Avatar Country, and Ava Street, Pandora.
Originally Posted By 2001DLFan <<WDI seems to have no creative leadership any more.>> Need to remember that this Avatar deal was a corporate executive decision and probably had little input form WDI. The creative issues within WDI are another situation altogether.
Originally Posted By Manfried <<The creative issues within WDI are another situation altogether.>> I suspect they're more inter-connected than you think they are.
