Originally Posted By cstephens themeparklover wrote: >>> they are doing this so hundreds will buy $12.00 pins that they manufacturer for 50 cents! >> And they're not forcing anyone to buy anything." > Well, yes they are: if they did not offer a "gift", they wouldn't draw 50% of what they do draw. Many come for the gift. ANd, let's say that most everyone did not buy any of the merchandise offered, the event would never happen. You've apparently got a very different idea of what "force" means. Having something available does not force anyone to buy it. I know people who have attended events who have purchased no merchandise. And you have absolutely no idea what attendance would be like if there was no merchandise offered. Maybe it would be less, but maybe not. There was relatively little merchandise offered for the first Haunted Mansion event several years ago, and the merchandise was available to the general public, not just event attendees, and there was still a huge demand for tickets, so much so that they had to move the event from the Mr. Lincoln stage to the Fantasyland Theatre. > The EVENT unimpresses me...it's not special OK, so don't go. Why rain on everyone else's parade when they're excited about this by telling them it's a scam? And sorry, you're not expressing "honest criticism and truth(filled) insight". You're simply expressing your personal opinion, which is fine, but your opinion isn't any more insightful than anyone else's opinion. > ...oh, and folks...beware before you buy...remember, they promised 2 guests (Tim Burton and Danny Elfman), then, after many tickets sold, they failed to show up! And they gave people the opportunity to cancel their tickets once that was announced, and some people did. Anyone who still attended went with the full knowledge that the two of them wouldn't be there. I'm sure they were very unhappy that Danny and Tim didn't show up and would have preferred if they had been able to, but they don't have absolute control over other people. /cs
Originally Posted By Mop-Boy << Please show me where I said the HM unimpresses me...another person putting words in my mouth. >> I meant HM event. Common, keep loose. It's nothing ghastly. You're offended? Understood. Halt all hate. Alright?
Originally Posted By themeparklover I felt the novelty of going last year was the fact that you get to ride the ride first. I could hardly care now to ride the ride a day or two before it officially opens to guests, as all have ridden the ride. It's not special anymore. " I know people who have attended events who have purchased no merchandise." Something Disney will never do again. The gift is extremely appealing and helps justify the consumer paying a premium (even though, once again, the gift, like last years Xmas Mansion Deck of Cards, costs no more than a buck to manufactuer, ESPECIALLY because the plates were availbe from the cards they created in the manison). "Why rain on everyone else's parade when they're excited about this by telling them it's a scam?" Stating my opninion. I think all here is grown up enough to make up there own mind. I am offering insight to those who may be tetering. Not everyone on this post is here to cheer the event. People want insight. I offer the oposing viewpoint. People can make up their own minds...if it is perceived to them that their parade has been rained on, that is their own problem. "You're simply expressing your personal opinion, which is fine, but your opinion isn't any more insightful than anyone else's opinion." This is SOOOO untrue. My opinion is more insightful for the 1000's who did not attend last years event, in that I did, hence, I have greater insight to the event then they do. "And they gave people the opportunity to cancel their tickets once that was announced, and some people did. Anyone who still attended went with the full knowledge that the two of them wouldn't be there. I'm sure they were very unhappy that Danny and Tim didn't show up and would have preferred if they had been able to, but they don't have absolute control over other people. " Not true. I experienced many persons at the event who were surprised that Danny and Tim were not there. Ahhhh, that's insight for ya! " I meant HM event. Common, keep loose. It's nothing ghastly. You're offended? Understood. Halt all hate. Alright?" No. It's just irritating when someone provides errant iformation to the readers, then, tries to justify themselves after that person sees that I caught them feeding the misinformation.
Originally Posted By cstephens themeparklover wrote: > I felt the novelty of going last year was the fact that you get to ride the ride first. I could hardly care now to ride the ride a day or two before it officially opens to guests, as all have ridden the ride. It's not special anymore. So you won't go. And others will. >> " I know people who have attended events who have purchased no merchandise." > Something Disney will never do again. So Disney is going to forbid people from not purchasing merchandise? > I am offering insight to those who may be tetering. You're offering insight to an event that has been announced is happening without any information on what exactly is happening. How much insight can you exactly offer on something unknown? > My opinion is more insightful for the 1000's who did not attend last years event, in that I did, hence, I have greater insight to the event then they do. And you're not the only person who attended last year's event, so there are a ton of people who, given your logic, would be just as insightful as you. And you can only provide information on last year's event, not this year's. > I experienced many persons at the event who were surprised that Danny and Tim were not there. Ahhhh, that's insight for ya! I agree that they may have missed some people. I also know the extent to which they tried as much as possible to inform everyone. /cs
Originally Posted By Mop-Boy << No. It's just irritating when someone provides errant iformation to the readers, then, tries to justify themselves after that person sees that I caught them feeding the misinformation. >> Chill. In case you've forgotten, I can't go back and edit a post once it's up. You're going nutz over a typo. If I want to insult you, I'd do it directly, and not try to hide it. If you don't like the event, Ok. That's just one less person attending. Either way, Disney is going to find people to sell out those tickets.
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Originally Posted By themeparklover " So you won't go. And others will." And newbies will be warned. ">> " I know people who have attended events who have purchased no merchandise." > Something Disney will never do again. So Disney is going to forbid people from not purchasing merchandise?" Your response absoloutely makes no sense. "You're offering insight to an event that has been announced is happening without any information on what exactly is happening. How much insight can you exactly offer on something unknown?" Hmmmmm.....well, Mr Stephens, here are some facts: The New Holiday Mansion will be open for guests to ride first before regular park guests. There will be unique, limited edition merchandise for sale and a unique gift given to each attendee and a special dinner will be held to anyone wanting to pay a premium. This is the standard framwork for all merchandise events. Enough insight for you? If not, I am sure it is enough for others. " > My opinion is more insightful for the 1000's who did not attend last years event, in that I did, hence, I have greater insight to the event then they do. And you're not the only person who attended last year's event, so there are a ton of people who, given your logic, would be just as insightful as you." Once again, your post makes no sense. It's like you did not read mine. My post states that there I have MORE insight than those who did not attend. I never commented on those who did intend, nor did I state I have more insight than they do (though I beleive I do, as I have inside information not many have...remember...June 1, 2002). " I agree that they may have missed some people. I also know the extent to which they tried as much as possible to inform everyone." Too bad. Many drove all the way out to the park only to find out that the stars of the show were not going to be at the event. So, what do they people do? Accept Disney's apology and attend, or get a refund for the ticket, though no refund for the lost night and gas? "You're going nutz over a typo. " Sound like an easy out excuse to me, IMHO.
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Originally Posted By Roger Rabbit I'm ready for HMH's return!! Mansion closes day after Labor Day. The scenery for HMH is behind many of the scenes inside the Mansion. As a Mansion CM, I want to either work or attend the event. I won't be surprised if it's both . Roger.
Originally Posted By KarenW2 I will hold my opinions about this event until we get more information. We had tickets to the event last year, and when they refused to give even a partial refund, or make any compensation for those who were promised to be there, not being there, we got a refund of our ticket prices and were glad we did. Once we get more information, we'll determine whether or not we want to attend. We've already ridden the ride, so there isn't anything special about this event so far.
Originally Posted By covnut >>Too bad. Many drove all the way out to the park only to find out that the stars of the show were not going to be at the event.<< Ya, and get this...stars occasionally cancel, get over it. That shouldn't ruin an event as you should be wanting to see the new HM and HMH was great. You got to admit they did a good job. Now as for the money issue...why don't you understand that Disney is a COMPANY, and they want to make money. Sure, they still want to make people happy, and they do this. Especially with HMH and the event. NO, I didn't go to the event, but I am sure many people went and wanted to pay the extra money to get what they recieved. A question for you TPL. Do you buy Disneyland's food, because that is one of their huge ways in making money, but I don't here you complaining about that and saying its..."SAD". Last time I went to Six Flags Marine World, I paid $14 for Subway!!! Be happy with whatcha ya got...ESPECIALLY if you are a Disney fanatic. You should always expect high prices for little things at all special events. Its the sentimental value of some of these things that become priceless to some people. You claim a lot of people to be ignorant TPL, but you tend to forget how you act about a place you seem to love...very ignorant! Peace.
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Originally Posted By Latonmai <<TIm Burton and Danny Elfman could have easily taken a few minutes to say hello an event they comminted to.>> You mean like the 5-10 minute videos that they each recorded? Ooops,were we supposed to forget that part?
Originally Posted By leemac "Since HM unimpresses TPL, the HM event has excited less. Lighten up Parklover." Please show me where I said the HM unimpresses me...another person putting words in my mouth. The EVENT unimpresses me...it's not special...oh, and folks...beware before you buy...remember, they promised 2 guests (Tim Burton and Danny Elfman), then, after many tickets sold, they failed to show up! SAD.... That was not Disneyland's fault that Elfman and Burton blew them out. He was too busy with his new girlfriend in London to even apologise. The Event last year was awesome and I had a total blast seeing the attraction for the first time. Also, Tony Garrison and Martha Blanding made sure ALL guests (where practically possible) were contacted and offered a full refund if they had booked the event solely to see Burton and Elfman. I don't think you can ask for more than that. Anyhow, the gifts were cool. Both the tarot cards and the Robison litho were excellent. The merchandise itself was superb and is in my house all year round! I hope to be able to fly out this year too!
Originally Posted By themeparklover No. I was talknig about LIVE...video greetings are lame and lazy....
Originally Posted By leemac Something Disney will never do again. The gift is extremely appealing and helps justify the consumer paying a premium (even though, once again, the gift, like last years Xmas Mansion Deck of Cards, costs no more than a buck to manufactuer, ESPECIALLY because the plates were availbe from the cards they created in the manison). Why does the cost make such a difference? It is the thought and overall design & execution that counts. The tarot cards were printed on high quality litho paper and nicely presented. The Jack litho for dinner guests was excellent and receiving the dinner list in the post a few months later was a nice touch. I thought that they had executed the gifts well, and used some imagination instead of just going with pins.
Originally Posted By leemac Hmmmmm.....well, Mr Stephens, here are some facts: The New Holiday Mansion will be open for guests to ride first before regular park guests. There will be unique, limited edition merchandise for sale and a unique gift given to each attendee and a special dinner will be held to anyone wanting to pay a premium. This is the standard framwork for all merchandise events. Enough insight for you? If not, I am sure it is enough for others. There will also be unique guests who Disneyland and NBC fans might want to hear. Last year's Q&A was excellent with a small show sandwiching it. The overall presentation was excellent. Some of us enjoy these events. I love the Mansion and the NBC movie, so I had to attend. However, I'm also a collector and enjoy attending events like the Disneyana Convention & the WDAC Convention. It is never JUST about the merchandise, but as someone who has their entire house littered with Disney goodies, it is nice to collect new and different things.
Originally Posted By leemac "Ya, and get this...stars occasionally cancel, get over it. " 2 Stars that were the central sales element to a paid event? It is all down to perspective. I did not see Burton & Elfman as central to the event. For me, it was hearing others talk, riding the ride for the very first time, having a cool dinner with entertainment at the Blue Bayou and having fun with friends. It was not Disney's fault that these two (rather strange by all accounts!) individuals decided not to attend at the last minute. There was little that DLR could do, and they did try and fill the places at the last minute. If you only came for that Q&A session, I'm not sure that that was really what DLR had in mind. It was meant to be more about Steve Davison's awesome makeover than a retrospective of the movie. The plan is meant to include a showing of the movie in the Fantasyland Theater this time with guests allowed to dress up as their favourite character (promises to be a strange evening!). Crikey, with all those goths running around, I would think I was in Tokyo Disneyland!
Originally Posted By cstephens themeparklover wrote: > Hmmmmm.....well, Mr Stephens Yep, you're pretty insightful all right. /cs
