Originally Posted By monorailblue Without reading the thread, I say that the very last thing Disneyland needs is a wicked adult ride. Nothing in Disneyland should ever be described as "wicked adult." Nothing. Ever.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros FYI, the Paris Space Mountian is completely different than the rest of them. It was originally themed to Jules Verne's "From the Earth to the Moon", including shooting you out of a cannon at the beginning and into space. The coaster itself features several inversions, a lot of props inside the main part of the ride (including asteroids and Verne-esque space machinery). It was the first time that a coaster launch had been put on an incline, and also featured the first synchronized musical score (the composer rode dozens of times before opening to make sure everything was just right). The trains are much longer (like Big Thunder, RNRC, or Screamin') and are designed to look like much older spacecraft. The station is open to the outside, as is the cannon, which is fun to watch from all over Discoveryland. A major refurb was done a couple years ago to make it Space Mountain: Mission 2, which added music more like the DL version (rock, more energy, not full orchestra), and replaced some of the dimensional props inside with projections. I believe that the part of the queue where you could watch the trains go by was covered up.
Originally Posted By gottaluvdavillains I did like when they changed Screamin to the red hot chili pepper (?) music - the song they used really went with the ride... Less carnivally... I didn't really enjoy the same thing over in Space with the lights on... Maybe if they reversed the effects and made it dark with lit up effects might have worked... but with the lights on not so much.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Hmmmm, I would say DL should never have a big adult only ride. They are the antithesis of what Disney parks are all about, they are often very tall to ge the speed, which would ruin the sightlines, the thrill wears off after a while (Oblivion, the world's 1st 90 degree drop coaster was very scary the 1st time I went on it, now it's a snore). The day Disney builds a major thrill is they day I boycott them. I already feel too many thrills have been getting built since 1977 (and I like thrills, but to me that is not what Disney should be about). In Paris it has been crazy. In the last 15 years, they have added 5 new coasters, 3 of them have loops and 1 is a spinning mad mouse. We hae seen relatively few family friendly additions, and if they are, they are full of toons. I know I am not the only one who fell in love with DL when the only physical thrill was the Matterhorn and the toons only lived in Fantasyland. Man, I miss those days.
Originally Posted By JobyCA65 I agree, monorail. "Wicked" and "adult" don't capture the essence of what Disneyland is, unless you're talking about some of the "wicked adults" who exist in some of Disney's classic animated features. When it comes to attractions though, I just don't think that will be happening anytime soon, if ever. I hope. Kid and adult friendly, something that little kids can enjoy with their parents is indeed what makes Disneyland different from the other amusement parks.
Originally Posted By SpokkerJones I grew out of coasters as an adult. I don't want any rides made for a specific demographic in mind. I don't want kids rides. I don't want adult rides. Instead I crave thematic, atmospheric experiences that appeal to all ages.
Originally Posted By Bob Paris "That's what Knott's and Magic Mountain are for, they offer a different experience from DLR and that's the way, I for one, like it." Hear, hear!!! The screamin' tweens and Hannah Montana fans can go to SFMM and KBF and hopefully DL will be a little quieter for the rest of us.
Originally Posted By gottaluvdavillains It's funny - as a teen I craved thrills - as young mother I was excited to take my kids on the "big" rides at local parks... Then I turned 35 and two things happened - 1. I rediscovered Disneyland 2. I rode Stealth at Great America Both those things made me realize I like the family friendly rides - My 10 year old DD is petite and only recently reached the height to ride Screamin... and a Roller Coaster sending me face first into the ground (it was like you were flying like superman) was not my cup of tea - all I could think was please let me off, I have 4 kids that need me!
Originally Posted By tasha23 well i have to say that Disneyland will one day probably have a really thrilling ride. Screaming and TT are a big change from what Disneyland used to be. As for saying then what will the kids do if such a ride comes out? Well i have seen parents take their little kids on TT and afterwards they cry and are terrified happend twice when i was just there. I believe that kids at a certain age shouldnt be able to go on those rides. Some parents actually had the sense to leave their scared children with the cast members while they went on the ride. Would another Thrill ride besides tower of terror really be any different to add into the park? probably not i love TT and would just like to see another ride like it. I love Disneyland more then any place on the planet i agree that it is a charming and beautiful place. I shouldnt be ridiculed for one comment i am not insulting Disneyland in any way.
Originally Posted By ImaginingDisney <<<< We have seen relatively few family friendly additions, and if they are, they are full of toons. >>>>> You know, I think you have a point. The short lived ALIEN ENCOUNTER at WDW was replaced by STITCH. Now AE was not necesarily an adult attraction, the kids loved it, but when STITCH moved in, the adult provision was removed. You are right, the Kiddie fantasies belong in Fantasy Land but someone is postering to put them throughout the parks. Thats an interesting find, have to see how it plays out. ID
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Yep - look at the family friendly additions over the last 5 - 10 years: DL - 50th exhibit (ok, Donald only plays a cameo), Nemo Subs, Buzz, Pooh DCA - Monsters Inc, Crush's Turtle Talk, Aladdin, MK - MILF, Sitch Encounter, Philharmagic Epcot - Seas with Nemo and Friends, Turtle Talk, Imagination (no toons here), Mexico boat ride with the 3 Cabelleros, China 360 (no toons) and Canada (no toons), Spaceship Earth refurb (animation key part - at least not Disney toons) DHS - Toy Story Mania, LMA (Herbie I suppose does not count), American Idol (shudder) DAK - Nemo musical DLP - Buzz WDSP - Stitch Encounter, Cars Race Rally, Playhouse Disney, and the worst, mixing toons and thrills with Crush Coaster TDL - Monsters Inc, Buzz TDS - Turtle Talk HKDL - animation academy, Autopia (no toons!), IASW full of toons, Turtle Talk. If it is an addition and not listed, it is likely because it is thrills - ToT, Raging Spirits, Expedition Everest, Mission Space etc. Not happy. Disney used to be about emersive family experiences for all, and there was a chance you might learn something. Those days seem to be long gone. It is mainly nostalgia that probably brings me back these days. How sad. Soarin' and Test Track probably come closest to old school Disney, but they both have height or health restrictions. :-(
Originally Posted By tasha23 disneyland had to move forward with the future and technolgy not move back into the past. There are so many parks to compete with, if they do not they might not continue to be successful.Imagine what the park will be 30 years from now.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo I am not talking about recreating the past, I am talking about having vision, and an ethos to do more than just entertain. Instead Disney is trying to compete with thrills and entertainment licences rather than creating the jaw dropping experiences or telling immersive new stories that they used to be renowned for. I am worried that with the direction of travel we have seen for the last 10 years, there will not be a Disney in 30 years time.
Originally Posted By tasha23 they gotta do what they gotta do to make money, if they dont no more disneyland.
Originally Posted By tasha23 i am glade they have new thrill rides, they need rides for everyone. I dont see most kids complaining about those rides, they are their favorites.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Tasha - go and read a few history books on Disney and then come back to discuss. They told Walt that a sound cartoon, colored cartoon, full length animated feature would never make money. They all did - he pushed the envelope. They called Disneyland "Walt's Folly" and predicted it would close. They also said a park without a roller coaster or ferris wheel would be a failure (it's still here after 50 odd years - though sadly they added the damn coaster and wheel in DCA). They said a park without beer would go under. Same with Pixar. Lucas sold them because he could not see the value. Apple bought it to showcase their equipment. But they produced the world's 1st CGI feature and everyone since has been huge. Disney does not need to copy, it needs to lead. Sadly for most of your life, they forgotten how to do this.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo " I dont see most kids complaining about those rides, they are their favorites." when they are finally tall enough to fit on them. Also the babies seem to love Pooh, but how many adults without kids do. Disneyland used to offer experiences for the whole family, on the same attraction.
Originally Posted By tasha23 omg i am done arguing with you. You are so smart just like your master yoda. You should be the ceo of disneyland because you are always right disneyland should be made to your liking because you are the only person in the world who matters, no one elses likes or disslikes matters just yours. Why bother having an opinion or liking a ride because you are always right and every ride should be made for kids and you. Who cares about anyone else.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo One could counter that your predisposition towards thrills equates to the same sentiments. It is my opinion. It is different to yours. But I would assert that my view is more inclusive than yours.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Sadly your line of thinking is what the bone heads are doing at WDI. I do not think the staying power will be as strong, and it is certainly not strong enough to have people travel from around the world to go.
