Originally Posted By tasha23 yes cuz once again i said i only like thrill rides i said i like all rides about 20 times over. There is no point talking to you you think you are seriously right about everything and things should be your way well there are other people in this world. Disneyland is doing a good job with upgrading and with the new rides and whoever doesnt like that shouldnt go on the rides or not go at all. The park will change with competition and technology and i will be going to Dl as long as i am breathing and will love every minute of it. Not going to complain about how it used to be get over it.A candy bar used to cost a penny oh well.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Ok, by the somewhat irrational rebuttles I am reading, I question why am replying to this. I never said I am always right. what I am trying to do is highlight why I am displeased with the current direction of travel. If you wish to discuss keynesian economics and the impact of inflation on pricing, I am also happy to do so. What I am talking about here is vision and direction. I love Disneyland, I have been going since I was a baby, and travel all over the globe to the different resorts. Because of my love, I will speak out when I am displeased. Disney is not perfect, nothing is. And I would counter your point and claim that Disney is not really doing a good job with it's upgrades. If so, why are there 3 versions of Imagination? Why is there concern about IASW with a phased introduction of the characters. I am not saying we should go back fully, I am saying Disney should change direction.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo >>>The park will change with competition and technology and i will be going to Dl as long as i am breathing and will love every minute of it.<<< I used to feel this way too. Now, I am not so sure. It's still fun, but it is not as inspiring.
Originally Posted By tasha23 well they probably wont, just be happy with the way it is. Disneyland is fine the way it is. The old park still has the same feel and the charm, the new park is a diffrent park and a chage. People complain about the new park but be grateful they put in a whole new park with really no extra cost. I had a wonderful trip less then a week ago i am glad to see the improvments and new attractions i am not going to complain and say they need to change because i dont think they have to. I am entilted to my opinion and you yours so lets leave it at that.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo >>>There is no point talking to you you think you are seriously right about everything and things should be your way well there are other people in this world.<<< I am not right about everything, no one is. But I do think I am right about this. How many disabled people have you gone to the park with? How many elderly? How many young children? I am sensing not many. Walt used to talk about being down when he would take his daughters out on Daddy's Day (Saturday) and he would watch them go on a Merry Go Round or a Roller Coaster. He said he wanted to build a park that could be enjoyed by everyone. And he did just that. It was a huge enough success to spawn official and unofficial copies around the globe. But with demographically focused attractions such as an adult thrill, a Pooh ride or playground, they have lost clarity in the vision. Now to use your venacular, get over that??? Did I use that correctly? The only thing I tend to get over is my leg.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo FWIW, I really liked what they were trying to do with DCA in the main (Paradise Pier aside). I think they have muddied that one too and find the plans moving forward less than inspiring. Shame.
Originally Posted By tasha23 it will turn out fine, you should be happy with the cars theme for kids.
Originally Posted By tasha23 i actually have gone to the park with kids and there are tons of kids rides
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo >>>i actually have gone to the park with kids and there are tons of kids rides<<< I don't think that is right either. The attractions should be inclusive. Again, Walt used to talk about not talking down to kids. That's why most of what he did has been successful. I would also claim that is why Pixar has been very successful, they follow the same ethos. I don't want an adult park, or a kid park, or lands. I want an inclusive theme park. That is why I fell in love with Disneyland and do not tend to go to many non Disney parks. Let's put the Walt back into Disney.
Originally Posted By tasha23 well maybe you should create your own park, i am sorry to say walt is gone and the parks changing you can like it or leave it nothing can be done.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo I don't agree Tasha. and I don't have the capital to invest in a park. But in my career, if I start believing "nothing can be done" in general, then frankly, we have lost all hope (btw I work in government). Just as new coke was killed and old coke came back. I am sure with the suggestion to people of changes and directions, we can see a return of the Walt ethos. If it were not for him, we would not have these parks. He may be gone, but he should not be forgotten. Let's put the Walt back in Disney.
Originally Posted By tasha23 ok well i cant waste all my time arguing so whatever is your opinion is your opinion doesnt mean you are right and doesnt mean the park shouldnt change to suite other people in this world.
Originally Posted By ImaginingDisney \\\\\\\Just as new coke was killed and old coke came back. I am sure with the suggestion to people of changes and directions, we can see a return of the Walt ethos. //////// Are you sure? You are looking at a whole new business world out there. Its not Walt and Roy running the show, spending extra cash to make the theme work, giving the attractions that last final touch. You now have a board of directors who only look at "how cheap can we build this" and "whats in it for me". Where Walt would mortgage his house to complete a project, the board votes in a higher bonus for themselves. The Disney stores was a good example of not paying attention to what they are doing. After the stores began to lose money, Disney sold them so the failure would not reflect on them. //////////If it were not for him, we would not have these parks. He may be gone, but he should not be forgotten. \\\\\\\\ You are absolutely correct. If it were not for Walt, there would be no magic in the Magic Kingdom. As for being forgotton, Walt Disney World was named by Roy at the dedication "so everyone would know whos dream it was". I notice now that there are ads that are advertising "Disney World", not Walt Disney World. Big business will do anything to keep interest in a product, in this case a theme park, even if it means to change a name. Keep an eye open, watch what changes, watch what dissapears and nothing is put in its place. Look at the quality of what they do build. I've seen some shocking examples, pay attention and keep track of what is going on. There are some shocking changes since the 70's to today, and it will get worse. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ ID
Originally Posted By ImaginingDisney //////// why wouldnt i have hair lol \\\\\\\ REALLY??? You don't have hair?? The mouse ears cap should take care of that. ID
Originally Posted By SpokkerJones "it will turn out fine, you should be happy with the cars theme for kids." "Good enough for kids" isn't good enough. Children are always reaching, and they should not be taught to accept any crappy entertainment you throw in front of them. They should instead be encouraged to analyze, criticize, and explain not just whether or not they enjoyed or disliked something, but why. Children deserve something more engaging than a cheap Pooh ride with painted flats and other nonsense. I think the Cars ride will actually be good, considering the work they are putting into it. But would kids reject something NOT based on the current most popular cartoon? Would they reject Tokyo DisneySea because it doesn't have enough characters? Because the rides are based on Jules Verne and not Owen Wilson the car? The rides should engage adults as well as kids. That's the whole reason the place was built!
Originally Posted By Moon Waffle I'm not looking for an adult thrill ride at Disneyland. I think that, as has been said, that is for Six Flags and others like them to do. However, I cannot believe that the "formula" which works so well on Pirates and HM, has not really been duplicated since. I'm talking about a totally immersive e-ticket that basically everyone can ride and appreciate, regardless of age. Disney is obviously aware that these are quite possibly the two most popular attractions in the park. So why not take another concept and develop something similar? I'm not talking about necessarily duplicating the ride vehicles or anything like that. I'm talking about taking a concept that appeals to all, and creating a full-blown, totally immersive ride out of it. It would seem to me that this would clearly bring in the crowds. Why has Disney ignored this successful formula?
Originally Posted By SpokkerJones "However, I cannot believe that the "formula" which works so well on Pirates and HM, has not really been duplicated since." Sinbad's Storybook Voyages at DisneySea. It's like Small World and Pirates on steroids. It's AA/dark ride heaven.
