Originally Posted By Sport Goofy << Since the Park Hoppers are so much more expensive now, is that a direct consequence of the proposed construction? >> It's directly the result of the weak dollar and the target audience for those non-AP park hopper tickets -- foreign visitors.
Originally Posted By The-Tink-Mobile hi darkbeer...we are travelling to disney from canada on dec 21st hoping to arrive by the 23rd we are staying at hojo's for about 12 days....if we purchase a citypass from universal studio or would hojos have the same offer and then can we upgrade that three day pass included for disney to a five day pass and then upgrade it to an annual pass , the deluxe pass is blocked out for the last part of december so we would like to use the five day pass if possible for that and also use some of our days for universal and sea world ect .. could you help us in making the best decision we have been told you are the one who might know, in summary... there are five of us going , we would need five city passes all upgraded to five days at disney , then have the passes upgraded to a deluxe year annual pass , hope you can help us, take hugs from cindy and family and the tink mobile...
Originally Posted By gottaluvdavillains It makes sense to raise the price on a one day ticket - in general those who just come for a day spend less. If you get a multi day or non S.Ca AP you are coming for days and nights so with the convience of everything being in one area you are spending more when you are there for many days - sure you might occasionally go off prop for a meal - but once you factor in the time and gas and trouble to find other places most just eat in the park - sure AP's get 10-15% off on meals but in the long run they eat there more often - so that little discount encourages us to do so. Maybe they should have a one day DL only ticket and a separate one day only for DCA - like $65 for DL and $44 for DCA and if you want the one day hopper offer it for the $91. It seems that if you are buying a one day ticket into DL as opposed to DCA you are definately getting more for your money. If they were to increase the Ap's 100% like suggested in this thread those of us who don't live in the area - but are willing to drive 6 hours a few times a year probably won't! We buy the AP's and come down there and spend our money because the AP is so affordable. If I am going to pay $700-$800 just for one AP I definately won't be buying the 5 I do now. I would cut my trips back from 8-10 to maybe 2-3 getting a three day hopper! I am sure I wouldn't be the only family doing so. There has to be a way to have a happy balance in pricing.
Originally Posted By ShivaThDestroyer >>If I am going to pay $700-$800 just for one AP I definitely won't be buying the 5 I do now. I would cut my trips back from 8-10 to maybe 2-3 getting a three day hopper! I am sure I wouldn't be the only family doing so. << gottaluvdavillains, that the same point I was trying to make. The AP's definitely encourage people like you and I to go more frequently than we would if we were purchasing single day or multi-day passports. I live near you and spend about 40 days a year in the park. That figure would be cut down to less than 10. I also like your idea about the separate tickets for DL and the DCA. The same thing could be done with AP's. You could still get a park-hopper or just a single park AP, for a lesser price, if that was all the budget allowed.
Originally Posted By amazedncal2 Thanks for the encouragement LuLu I just checked the AP website but it won't show me prices until I hit the 30 day mark. Strange since the "statement" came a couple of weeks ago. I think I'll just mail it in and see what happens.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 Two comments: 1.) TWDC is in the process of investing/spending billions of dollars in Anaheim to rebuild/recreate one park, add major attractions to another, expand DD, renovate one hotel, add DVC and between 2-4 new resorts and the money has to come from somewhere ... BTW, the days of a $500 PAP aren't that far off.; and 2.) I'm glad I renewed last week!
Originally Posted By 8 ilovemickey 8 It will be interesting to see if they significantly raise the prices of APs. I think Disney banks on the fact that by making these a bargain people will come more often and thus spend more money in the long run on food and souvenirs. I wonder how much money Disney is relying on them to spend to actually make money?
Originally Posted By ShivaThDestroyer >>I think Disney banks on the fact that by making these a bargain people will come more often and thus spend more money in the long run on food and souvenirs.<< 8 ilovemickey 8, I've done the math for myself. If I decided that the price of a PAP had gotten to a point where I no longer bought it and cut my annual days in the park from 40 back to just 10. DL would lose close to $5000.00 in combined revenue from my DW and I. I'm not saying I wouldn't purchase a PAP for $500. I have no idea yet where I would draw the line. All I'm saying is that a $500. PAP might make a some people think that a $51.00 WOW card from Great America would suit their needs nicely.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo As someone who directly creates new business propositions, any business price changes will annoy someone, but still a stagnant offering or reduction in quality even has more profound impact. I understand the sentiments of those from further afield. We are in the same boat as we buy AP's for DLP despite living in a different country. But the issue in So Cal seems to me that a lot of AP's treat DL as a day at their local park, or worse, a babysitter is what can really impact the attendance and atmosphere of the resort. For these folks, or even $4 a day, that is a bargain. Reality is that DL is a premium product. The quality of the attractions, the live entertainment, shows such as Fantasmic and Believe. But people seem to not want to pay the prices. Therefore the park has been devalued. I love DL, and I have a very socialist view of life compared to many americans. But I understand the access for all and premium world's greatest experiences are two contrary paradigms. Look at what has happened to WDW!
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo People who complain DCA is too expensive, that sentiment to me is laughable. Look at the quality and production costs of Aladdin alone. It is near broadway quality. Have you seen the cost of a ticket to a broadway show? Or considered why no other parks produce a show of such quality? I am very tired of Disney dumbing down their products. I do not want a 6 Flags Disney or even a Busch quality. I want old Disney quality and I am willing to pay for that.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo As for the good old days. In the good old days of 1959, the Train was an E ticket, and it cost 50 cents each to ride. According to this website: <a href="http://www.austintxgensoc.org/calculatecpi.php" target="_blank">http://www.austintxgensoc.org/ calculatecpi.php</a> The train would cost $3.50 to ride. If you add on business practices to compare the cost of one ride on a Vegas Coaster - let's say the Mahatten Express (an e-ticket) is $12.50. Therefore, in aggregate, if a Disneylander went on 10 e tickets in a day, on a pay per play, after admission, the attractions would be between $35 (unlikely) and $125 each person. When you look at it like this, DL seems like a bargain to me. And the cost of Mary Poppins at the New Amsterdam is $132 for the cheap seats. Even if you considered Aladdin to be 40% of the value - that's $52.80, nearly the cost of admission to DCA. This is where I am coming from folks. I love that eveyone is equal at Disney, and that's the way it sould be. But I want more Broadway and less 6 Flags. And for that, I am willing to play. Otherwise, I would just stay in Europe. But the reality is, we will probably continue to see incremental rises, and people will continue to pay, because Disney will offer better entertainment. It's really only the day visitors that miss out, but as said, Disney want either long stay guests (like the Baloos) or repeat visitors (like most West Coast LPers) to make the most.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo However, please do not get me wrong. I would love to play less for DL. And I do understand where people are coming from (StD - your behaviours are very similar to how we used to treat DLP before their prices got out of hand). But I am tired of the dumbing down of WDW (my visit last year was very disappointing), I do not want to see that happen to my beloved Disneyland. Therefore I tolerate the hikes.
Originally Posted By raidermatt "The daily costs for running Nemo were not there a year ago." But they were there 10 years ago, and there was no price decrease when the ride closed. Disneyland is not "expanding". There are still attractions that have closed and never been replaced. Now, I am not saying prices should not increase, nor am I even saying they shouldn't increase faster than inflation. However, the increases shouldn't be portrayed as some kind of necessary move so Disney can keep treading water. They are raising the prices at a rate greater than inflation because they think they can get away with it. Argue that they are right to do so if you wish. But don't try to say it's "necessary".
Originally Posted By raidermatt "People who complain DCA is too expensive, that sentiment to me is laughable." How is it laughable to expect consistent value? Obviously the majority of the public does not find the idea that DCA is too expensive laughable. Aladdin is not even close to Broadway quality. It's very nice for a theme park show, but it's costs are nothing compared to a true Broadway production. Again, if the public thought DCA was a good value for the price, they would be flocking to the place, and there would be no need for the pricing promotions that have been offered off and on almost since the day the park opened.
Originally Posted By midget3175 I am reading on here that alot of people are upset about the increase in ticket prices to go to the Disney Parks. Let's look at this logically. One Day Adult Admission prices for other area parks: Six Flags Magic Mountain is $59.99 Knotts Berry Farm $49.95 Universal Studios $61.00 Legoland $57.00 Sea World $57.00 Disney Adult Admission Prices Broken Down: 1 day Hopper $45.50 per park 2 day Hopper $33.00 per park per day 3 day Hopper $29.00 per park per day 4 day Hopper $23.00 per park per day 5 day Hopper $19.40 per park per day I love all of the parks that I have mentioned, and each has something different to offer, However if you really think about it, Disney is STILL the better value.
Originally Posted By Darkbeer FYI, the cost of a Blockout Pass for Annual Passholders went up. They are now $40 a day (Increase of $10).
Originally Posted By liveforvacations I for one am not happy about the price increase because who likes paying more. However, I think it is well worth the money they are charging and feel I get good value for my money at Disneyland.
Originally Posted By Tron02 I don't think $91 for a one-day Park Hopper is outrageous. It is a lot of money, but it is not overpriced for the goods and services you are receiving. I believe a one-day, non-Park Hopper at Walt Disney World is about $75 now, is that correct? And yet WDW has seen increased attendance. $66 for a single park does not seem overpriced. I'm not saying it isn't expensive, but it doesn't seem exhorbant for what you're getting. This seems like a move to get Disneyland's pricing more in line with WDW's "The Longer You Stay, The Better Deal You Get" mentality.
Originally Posted By ShivaThDestroyer >>"The daily costs for running Nemo were not there a year ago."<< I keep hearing this thrown around, and have to disagree. First of all, although construction costs for Nemo may have exceeded $70,000,000. the annual operating expenses would be far less. I also disagree with midget3175's formula for dividing the cost of single day or multi-day passports by 2. That is flawed for 2 reasons. The DCA is the minor draw compared to DL and when you purchase a single day ticket at similar theme parks you can often convert it to a season pass or pay just a couple of extra dollars to do so. I have no doubt in my mind that DL offers great value compared to other functions such as concerts or sporting events and, IMHO, no other theme parks can compare to the Disney parks. What I have issue with is price increases that may limit attendance only to the financially fortunate. I stated in one of my earlier posts that the park may mean something different to me than what it does to others. My own personal belief is that Walt intended the park to provide affordable family entertainment and that he would not approve of pricing that prevented an average family from attending. BTW, the Disney theme parks are doing quite well fiancially. <a href="http://www.newsvine.com/_news/2007/08/01/872011-tv-theme-parks-boost-disneys-profit" target="_blank">http://www.newsvine.com/_news/ 2007/08/01/872011-tv-theme-parks-boost-disneys-profit</a>
