Originally Posted By leemac <<Disney shouldn't forget the main park, it deserves a new ride as well. >> The problem is that the main park doesn't need capacity - it has enough at the moment based on current attendance. I know that the fans always want new stuff but it makes little sense at the moment to shift the focus from the Studios.
Originally Posted By dagobert >>>No chance. There isn't the money available to do so. Unfortunately the park will have to limp along with the Back Lot area for a little while longer. If RKK is a big success then that will be the next focus.<<< As I've already mentioned, I would be happy with some theming for Production Courtyard and maybe a new ride besides Rat for WDSP.
Originally Posted By dagobert >>>The problem is that the main park doesn't need capacity - it has enough at the moment based on current attendance. I know that the fans always want new stuff but it makes little sense at the moment to shift the focus from the Studios.<<< I totally understand that, but as a fan I want to see something new. I still have hopes for Star Tours II, just because of Disney owning Lucasfilm now and the release of a new movie. However I still prefer better maintenance instead of a new ride.
Originally Posted By u k fan The Backlot needs help desperately. As much as I enjoy RnRc I'd be happy to see both that and Moteurs go if it meant they had the land to do something impressive. Surely it's only a matter of time before Marvel comes to WDSP?!!!
Originally Posted By dagobert >>>The Backlot needs help desperately. As much as I enjoy RnRc I'd be happy to see both that and Moteurs go if it meant they had the land to do something impressive. Surely it's only a matter of time before Marvel comes to WDSP?!!!<<< Honestly I like Backlot as it is, because that's how I always envisioned a real studio lot. However I wouldn't mind new attractions, especially Marvel based rides. By the way, in Paris Disney can use all Marvel characters and I guess they will stick to the movies, but if they use Spider-Man or X-Men I think people might get confused that there isn't a connection to the movies. The comics aren't that popular over here.
Originally Posted By leemac <<By the way, in Paris Disney can use all Marvel characters and I guess they will stick to the movies, but if they use Spider-Man or X-Men I think people might get confused that there isn't a connection to the movies. The comics aren't that popular over here.>> I'm confused - why wouldn't they use the movies? Comics aren't particularly popular anywhere any more so the main connection that guests have to MARVEL is through the movies and the ancillary consumer products stuff in every supermarket and clothing store.
Originally Posted By dagobert >>>I'm confused - why wouldn't they use the movies? Comics aren't particularly popular anywhere any more so the main connection that guests have to MARVEL is through the movies and the ancillary consumer products stuff in every supermarket and clothing store. <<< I meant that for example the Spider-Man movie right belong to Sony and so I guess Disney can't use the Sony movie for the themeparks. That's why I think Disney will stick to the MCU for the parks. I don't know the Spider-Man ride at Universal, but is there a connection to the first Spider-Man trilogy?
Originally Posted By leemac <<I meant that for example the Spider-Man movie right belong to Sony>> Well X-Men and Fantastic Four rights are held by Fox. Uni uses just the comic book rights for their MARVEL attractions - there is no linkage to any movies. DLP could use Spider-Man as there isn't anything particularly proprietary about the movies except for the stories themselves. All of the characters exist in the comic book world.
Originally Posted By dagobert >>>DLP could use Spider-Man as there isn't anything particularly proprietary about the movies except for the stories themselves. All of the characters exist in the comic book world.<<< I know about the comics and I also know about the situation with Fox. I just mean that it's more likely to use the MCU instead of the comic book characters.
Originally Posted By dagobert A new update by the French Disney Gazette site. <a target="blank" rel="nofollow" href="http://www.disneygazette.fr/gazette-merchandising-phantom-manor-news-1301.html">http://www.disneygazette.fr/ga...301.html</a> It seems DLP is reworking the DV entrance.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros >>The problem is that the main park doesn't need capacity - it has enough at the moment based on current attendance.<< That's nice for now, but what about the future? Are they thinking that more guests will show up to DLP based solely on the meaningless marketing campaigns? What happened to the "If you build it, they will come" mentality? I know that they've had attendance issues in the past, but this seems like a fairly healthy time for the resort; why not try to expand on that?
Originally Posted By u k fan They can advertise new additions at WDSP just as easily as anything at DLP - most people wouldn't even consider WDSP to be a separate entity anyway from the way the resort is advertised!!!
Originally Posted By dagobert >>>They can advertise new additions at WDSP just as easily as anything at DLP - most people wouldn't even consider WDSP to be a separate entity anyway from the way the resort is advertised!!!<<< So true. Most people don't make a distinction between the two parks, because nearly all tickets sold are hopper tickets and within ten minutes you are in the other park. We have never spent a whole day in one park. We changed several times a day.
Originally Posted By dagobert Euro Disney SCA reported their third quarter results. <a target="blank" rel="nofollow" href="http://corporate.disneylandparis.com/CORP/EN/Neutral/Images/uk-2013-08-06-Q3-FY13-Press-release.pdf">http://corporate.disneylandpar...ease.pdf</a> >>> EURO DISNEY S.C.A. Fiscal Year 2013 Third Quarter Announcement Nine Months Ended June 30, 2013 • Nine-month year-to-date revenues increased € 9 million to € 920 million, reflecting improved guest spending and higher real estate revenues, partially offset by lower theme parks attendance and hotel occupancy • Third quarter revenues decreased 2% to € 352 million in an environment where challenging economic conditions, notably in Southern Europe, and, to a lesser extent, adverse weather in France, had unfavorable impacts on the business <<< Doesn't sound that good.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros What are the real estate revenues that they're talking about? Are those just the rent for stores in Disney Village, or is Disney selling off some of their land? I really hope they're not losing their land, since it will be nearly impossible for them to ever buy it back in the future; this is a huge mistake that WDW's currently making, selling pieces off for residential developments, but I had hoped was an isolated occurrence. Given that WDW and DLP are the only two resorts with any real land surrounding the parks and hotels, you'd think they would understand what a valuable asset that is And could the 2% drop be related to the end of the 20th? I know that last year was a huge year for DLRP, so it only makes sense that this year would see that settle down a little bit. How does this year's 3rd quarter compare to 2 years ago?
Originally Posted By dagobert If I'm not mistaken, the real estate revenues come from Val D'Europe. There ED SCA is selling land to other companies. I think this was always part of the agreement with the French government. There is still plenty of land available for Disney.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros I didn't realize that Disney still had land over there; I knew they had the government agreements to sell it off, but I thought that they had already done all of that. I'm glad that they're able to profit from it, but I hope they realize that there's limited land available, and they shouldn't be relying on it to prop up the financial reports into the future
Originally Posted By dagobert >>>I didn't realize that Disney still had land over there; I knew they had the government agreements to sell it off, but I thought that they had already done all of that. I'm glad that they're able to profit from it, but I hope they realize that there's limited land available, and they shouldn't be relying on it to prop up the financial reports into the future.<<< A few years ago, ED SCA made a small profit of two million Euros and I think it was because of a huge land sale. Since Val D'Europe is still expanding, I guess there is still a lot of land available. DLP can't handle more than three themeparks, so there is no need to save the land. The land for the third park must be the area in front of the Newport Bay Club Hotel. I'm sure the Lava Lagoon waterpark died many years ago and with Villages Natures on the horizon, I highly doubt we will ever see a Disney waterpark in France. So I think DLP has a plenty of land to sell over the next years.
Originally Posted By leemac <<If I'm not mistaken, the real estate revenues come from Val D'Europe. There ED SCA is selling land to other companies. I think this was always part of the agreement with the French government.>> It isn't just Val D'Europe - ED SCA is making owns land across the resort and has been progressively selling off land that is not required for leisure purposes. The deal with P+V for Villages Natures is a good example.
Originally Posted By leemac <<Given that WDW and DLP are the only two resorts with any real land surrounding the parks and hotels, you'd think they would understand what a valuable asset that is>> The land being sold will never be developed - ED SCA needs the cash proceeds from the sales more than the unused land.
