Originally Posted By Gonzo Disneyland or Disneyworld???? Let me just say IN and Out is not in Florida. Nuff said
Originally Posted By dlkozy ^^avromark-I am confused by your post-you don't think that In-n-Out is in Florida do you-(only located in CA,AZ,NV)
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy I love both resorts and MK's. For their separate feels, and the fact that Walt had a direct hand in one. But here's the big difference for me -- You can walk completely around Disneyland on the outside. There are streets and sidewalks out there, and homes and businesses just across the street. You can see the Matterhorn up from outside the park. (This is not a bad thing -- it just IS..) At WDW, the parks are more physically removed from the real world. Yes, there is a perimeter road that allows you to drive around the MK if you have business there, but even that road is "remote" from the backside of the MK. I love how the MK is even removed from it's own parking lot and you have to take a boat as part of your visit. (Or the monorail, but I prefer the boat)
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy >> If only California had AKL & DAK, as well as Epcot, I would never have to go to Florida again. << This is interesting. As a CM I have run into this notion more than once. Visitors from the west coast who have been to DLR many times, but are coming to WDW for the first time. They tell me they are visiting all the parks, but consciously will give a pass to the MK because "They've already seen it back home in California." The two MK's are not the same. I encourage people to visit the WDW MK anyway, just to observe the differences. Let alone the attractions that exist in one park, but not the other. For me it's got nothing to do with "Which is better." It's got to do with enjoying what each one does.
Originally Posted By NikkiLOVESMickey Having never been to Disneyland (I hope to get there one day soon), I can't make a comparison. However, I do agree with ssWEDguy's sentiments about the MK at WDW being "removed" from the real world. That's one of the things I love about WDW: once you're there, it's like life is suspended. Your real life doesn't intrude unless you allow it to do so. To me, it's a welcome respite from every day life. It's also the reason that I never leave the grounds once I'm there!
Originally Posted By fkurucz ^^^FWIW, DL does a pretty good job of hiding the outside world, unlike DCA. Once you are past the front gates, Harbor Blvd pretty much vanishes, with a few exceptions like the monorail.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo ssWEDguy - I agree with your standpoint, and for me, Country Bears, Hall of Presidents, Carousel of Progress and the TTA are excellent, but it doesn't have the same vibe as Disneyland for me. When I plan a trip to WDW - I get excited about the deluxe resorts, Epcot and DAK. I find the MK underwhelming, and I have mixed emotions on the Studios.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros I think that DL does a better job of removing itself from the outside world. Sure, WDW has the huge expanses of property that allow it to be physically removed from everything else, but the intamate size of the DLR makes it seem even more removed to me. The fact that you can walk all the way around it makes it that much better to me. It's like WDW was just trying to run and hide from its enemies. As a result from the large size, WDW has also brought a ton of the real world into the resort. At DLR, once you get there, you pretty much park right away and walk or take the tram or monorail everywhere. This seems to me to be more of an escape from everyday life more than anything else. Even when you see the outside world (DCA, the bridge in DTD, peeks across Harbor, parts of the Matterhorn), there still seems to be something a little more magical about it than about the massive roads crossing WDW. So, sure, you can spend a lot more time in WDW away from civilization, but that is because there isn't any real threat to it becoming in the middle of a huge urban area. DL, on the other hand has managed to fend off the predators, keeping the sightlines from within clear, but still being very visible from the outside. This to me seems much more magical, to have a retreat from reality right in the middle of it, rather than being in the middle of nowhere. It's like an oasis in the desert, rather than an oasis in the rain forest.
Originally Posted By Dznygrl ^^^I agree! Personally, I think the fact that Disneyland is right in the middle of this hustling bustling city and is still able to shut out that world while you're in the park is even more magical and amazing!
Originally Posted By TDLFAN >>The reality is I think most people prefer the one they grew up with. Natural really.<< No really. I grew up at WDW and worked there proudly. Yet this particualr resort has gotten stale due to the bad way it's being operated, which is sad since it is the most visible to the global population.
Originally Posted By demderedoseguys >Yet this particualr resort has gotten stale due to the bad way it's being operated, which is sad since it is the most visible to the global population. < Not true. It's only gotten stale to those of us who have been going for years. What is now visible to the global population, who don't know how WDW used to be, is Disney "getting away" with less magic, because the turntstiles keep going round and round. It hurts, but I still love the place, will keep going and will continue to voice my concerns at Customer Relations when I see something out of place. Not that it does any good.
Originally Posted By TDLFAN >>Not true. It's only gotten stale to those of us who have been going for years.<< Yes true, and remember I have been visiting TDR on a monthly basis since 1989 and has NOT gotten stale for me at all.
Originally Posted By fkurucz >>Not true. It's only gotten stale to those of us who have been going for years.<< I needed only 1 visit to WDW to notice that it has problems with "Staleness".
Originally Posted By demderedoseguys ^^ That's because you've been to DL and have something to compare it too and that goes for you TDLFAN, as well. For the "global population" who experiences Disney only at the more "visible" WDW and maybe only one or two times , there is no way that they can make a judgement on it's "Staleness". It's still the # 1 place that people go, so what would motivate Disney to try and recapture it's past glory is beyond me.
Originally Posted By TDLFAN >>It's still the # 1 place that people go, so what would motivate Disney to try and recapture it's past glory is beyond me<< That is exactly the tragedy of it all!!! The do not try because they have the victims coming by the truckloads.. But even if WDW was the only Disney resort on Earth.. I would still compare it to it's glory days and see the decline in the "Disney Excellence" they so much brag about in Traditions and to the Press. Ignorance is bliss they say and that is exactly what WDW's management banks on to slack off in their duties. In a World where the internet has made info and images so readily available... they should not try to even dare lower the standards... especially when some of us most dedicated fans can and *WILL* compare.
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost Although I can agree with those statements, I think that the one fact that is escaping everyones attention is that even with the quality decline at WDW it is still better than anything those one timers have ever experienced. It still has quality just not as much as before. I went to DLR last year during the 50th. I had never been before so I was open and prepared to see some real quality considering the history and occasion. You know what? I saw pieces of plaster missing from steps to the train station, A large chunk of wall in the Small World cue that was gone. Dirt and clutter in many, many places. Yet I had read on these boards that DLR was so much nicer than WDW. Sorry, but I failed to see it. It was still great but I think most of us see pretty much what we want to see. It is something that the entertainment business is built around. That would be the willing suspension of disbelief. It is the common thread that runs through any fantasy based entertainment. All you have to do is make that first impression great and that is pretty much all anyone will see after that unless they are immersed in the place over long periods of time. Human nature!
Originally Posted By TALL Disney Guy Interesting Ferret and Dznygrl, but I gotta go with Nikki. The fact that WDW is so HUGE makes it more of an escape from reality for me. It really is like its own fantasy world, kinda like how driving onto the property is like going through the wardrobe into Narnia. And because it's so vast and in a more natural setting, it really does seem like it's its own fantasy land where no "real time life" may intrude. I do like DL and had a fantastic time on my visit there, but at the same time it was a little odd knowing that "life" was right outside. WDW has the more magical escapism into a fantasy realm all its own to me.
