Originally Posted By Mickeymouseclub What you do not realize is this convenience will result in higher profits for the corporation, and a decrease in jobs and increased cost passed on to the customer.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 ***Belle knowing your daughter's name as she approaches*** <<I can already imagine the possibilities for error here, and then it's all over but the crying.>> I would cry if Belle came over to me and called me 'Dave' ... well, unless she bought me dinner! <<I still say I'd rather they spend a billion on some new rides and shows. But maybe that's just me.>> No, it isn't. I absolutely love the KP adventure at EPCOT. But it's not why I go to the place. Does it add to the experience ... the value of a day? Sure. But not the same way, a new three-attraction pavilion where WoL stands would! Oh well ... break's over ... back to work!
Originally Posted By Mickeymouseclub ^that was in response to em's post #57 not to Spirit's...I know he realizes all!
Originally Posted By Mickeymouseclub So you think it might be creepy with "Big Brother" tracking your every move. I live in a converted old building/condo with 24 hour valet that monitors front and back entrances and the elevators. It is very strange feeling to live with. Also my objection to this future new improved world is the way it is slowly introduced as a customer convenience improvement Free or Low introductory...Just try it and get used to the new improved version.... Now we want you to pay for it! And pay we will. I don't worry about my future but I do worry for future generations. I worry a lot. Of course I remember all this same discussion when computers were first introduced in the late 60s. Many feared and refused to use computers or microwaves. Funny but true. Or maybe not so funny or true.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***<<Disney even admits that's what Fast Pass is about, and it works.>> I'd love to see the figures. I have heard this from some of my 'insiders' but I still don't buy it. Numbers will say anything if you waterboard them enough. I don't believe that most people decide to spend money they wouldn't have while waiting for their 4:45 p.m. FP for Space Mountain to open up.*** I must say Spirit, I do so all the time thanks to fastpass. And I don't even see that as a negative, per se. It's my choice, after all. It's just that when we get to that "what should we do next?" moment and pull out the FP's, often we end up saying "okay we can go ride Splash Mountain in 25 minutes, so let's have a popcorn while we wait". Perhaps we're in the minority, but somehow I don't think so. In the old days, I'd have lined up for Splash and skipped the ice cream, or the window shopping that ends up with a little trinket purchase.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> As for the whole costume thing- Basically before its been the classic barcode system- scan in, scan out. If you don't check to make sure everything was scanned- good luck on proving its not in your possession until it gets scanned in somewhere else down the line. Now with RFID you put everything you want (or are returning) in a designated spot and it automatically scans it all. No worries that the barcode didn't take etc. Now I'm sure there is a margin for error there but statistically its less.. << Now that's an application of the tecnology that I think is for the better.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> I recall some of our own LPers talking about spreadsheets for vacations at WDW. I think that's just whack ... but Disney has created that mess and many of the solutions are IMHO just more problematic. << I think that adds to the enjoyment of the vacation for some folks. They get the chance to embrace WDW well in advance of the actual trip itself. I can see where this is considered part of the vacation experience for the people who like to plan every last aspect of a trip. I myself perfer the casual approach. That is much easier to do when there are only two people involved, and the other one could care less where you go or what you do.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros With all the identity theft stories that are going around, I wonder how they are going to protect people's privacy with this system. With the Key to the World, it's not that big of an issue unless you lose it (which I still think would be fairly easy to take of). With an RFID, it would only take someone with the proper device to walk somewhere near you, and they would have your credit card information. I doubt there would be too much else on there that would be of great value to them (your name, what time your FP for Soarin' comes up, and where you're eating lunch tomorrow), but it seems like if it's easy for Disney to get that information without direclty needing to scan something, someone else could too. And if they can get the information, who is to say that they couldn't program their own device with the same info, so they could charge up your account, use your park tickets, and get into your hotel room. I realize that these issues have been around for a while, but having a 'touchless' system that shares information from somewhat of a distance (whether it's a few inches or many feet) seems to put guests at risk for problems. WDW is a crowded place, and it would be easy for someone to get close to you without you noticing that they're gathering all your personal information. While it might simplify the vacation process some, I'm not sure it would be worth it with modern threats out there.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> >> But largely, this is designed to take you away from your money. << <<Tell me something new.>> >> OK, those pumps make your ass look bigger. << Do you think the red one's are to flashy? Should I wear a more subdued color? >> I'd love to see the figures. I have heard this from some of my 'insiders' but I still don't buy it. Numbers will say anything if you waterboard them enough. I don't believe that most people decide to spend money they wouldn't have while waiting for their 4:45 p.m. FP for Space Mountain to open up. << Disney has spent, and is spending a lot of money on fast pass. Do you think they did it solely for the enjoyment, and convience of their guest? >> How did we ever live without mass character meals? Or without Disney branded crap in every shop? Or without character meet and greets? Or without toon tie-ins to everything? << Back then I guess we were just to dumb to know we really wanted those things. >> But they didn't ruin Disney Dining. The DDP is a whole different animal! << I'm really very. very, very afraid that this new application of technology is going to take Disney dining even more closely to hell. <<Personally I like a good free message.>> >> I'm going to assume you meant massage ... and I'd love to take this in another direction, but won't. << My dyslexic fingers failed me once again. >> Great analogy. Good thing this thread is being read in Burbank ... I hate when our best material is wasted on 'the regulars' << Do you think we could get some free fast passes if we shut up? >> I just hate when I get the white glove treatment! << Especially if Mickey is playing Proctologist. >> I dunno ... I'm actually surprised. Look at the fanboi reaction in other MAGICal realms. Hell, my favorite online stalker is coming out against this. << By the way, how is jt04 theses days. >> The thing is Disney is leaving certain details out ... and things have fallen into my lap that I don't feel comfortable putting out because I sense they are trying to plug leaks (since they can't plug me!) << I would be very careful about relaying any information about RFID if I worked for Disney. That's why I was messing with LeeMac. I know there's no way he is going to say anything about this project other than the guidelines he's been given. The Mouse plugs you everytime you walk through the turnstiles, but it's a happy plug. >> Actually, I have another concern. And that's simply what COULD the money be spent on instead. Think about that ... as much of RFID won't be major . << That seems to be the major Fanboi concern.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> And very proud of it. I personally think you are avoiding WDW so you don't have to buy me dinner! << I've been planning something special. Right down to having them play " Playground In My Mind" on the harp. >> Imagine driving by or railing by and they've already reached five stories and still have't said they're building anything. << I think they had the tree up before admitting it existed. >> It's not 1989. Disney isn't going to be able to work like it has in the past. See last summer's F-land blueprint leak. << The internet changes the nature of the games. Steve was smart to pull that blueprint down real fast too. >> They are keeping this very controlled. And people are afraid. << I've heard from a very reliable source that there's an area set up in the ultiltdors that makes the Spanish Inquisition look like the HISTK playground. <<What's foreplay?>> >> That's what Mrs. Pierce says! (did you set me up for that one?) << We're going to have to work on that timing if we are going to turn this into a Lounge Act.
Originally Posted By MPierce I wonder if they plan on using RFID in Disney transportation. I would ask them, but I would get another letter from Disney Legal just like last time.
Originally Posted By plpeters70 Personallu, I think this whole interactive push stinks of a group of consultants deciding that what kids want today is "interaction", and now WDI is hell-bent on adding it to everything at the theme parks. While I'm all for this stuff if it helps make better attractions, I hope the gimmick doesn't end up becoming the whole focus. Remember when attractions used mulitple new technologies to create one unified, amazing experience - like Pirates, Mansion, or Horizons? These days, the gimmick is the whole ride - see Buzz, Soarin, Mission Space, and Midway Mania. Let's hope this next-generation of interactive tech doesn't lead to the same trouble.
Originally Posted By bobbelee9 <<<How did we ever live without mass character meals? Or without Disney branded crap in every shop? Or without character meet and greets? Or without toon tie-ins to everything? I guess we just didn't know what we were missing.>>> Seems to me I've been accused of that just because I have no desire to go to DL.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo NO DESIRE TO GO TO DL????? Faints. Well, I suppose we wouldn't want to ruin the MK for you. Better stay away from Paris too.
Originally Posted By bobbelee9 <<With all the identity theft stories that are going around, I wonder how they are going to protect people's privacy with this system. With the Key to the World, it's not that big of an issue unless you lose it (which I still think would be fairly easy to take of). With an RFID, it would only take someone with the proper device to walk somewhere near you, and they would have your credit card information. I doubt there would be too much else on there that would be of great value to them (your name, what time your FP for Soarin' comes up, and where you're eating lunch tomorrow), but it seems like if it's easy for Disney to get that information without direclty needing to scan something, someone else could too. And if they can get the information, who is to say that they couldn't program their own device with the same info, so they could charge up your account, use your park tickets, and get into your hotel room.>> Well that just scared the hell out of me.
Originally Posted By bobbelee9 Sorry Dave, I just feel WDW offers me a more complete vacation that DL.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo You never know till you try. For me, 3000 miles to WDW, 6000 to DL, DL wins 95% of the time ;-)
Originally Posted By Mr X ***Sorry Dave, I just feel WDW offers me a more complete vacation that DL.*** In what way? If you mean complete immersion into a Disney atmosphere, I could sort of see your point, but that comes at a price (long bus rides, limited options for anything OTHER than Disney, etc...). If you consider the surrounding areas, I don't think you can really claim that Orlando offers you a more "complete" anything compared to Southern California (more things to do, better weather, better quality dining, and so on).
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Plus if you stay in the Grand Californian, it feels even more immersive than WDW. Better quality hotel experience too.
Originally Posted By leobloom Best Disney vacation my family ever had was our first trip to DL the summer IJA opened. We stayed at the DL Hotel and ate at the Monorail Cafe a few times. We'd been to WDW a bunch of times, but we were all impressed with all the surprises DL offered.
