Originally Posted By trekkeruss I don't really care one way or the other. But I hear people say all the time that there must be lots of good singers out there who never make it in front of the judges on the real show. If I use that metric, there will probably be some pretty good singers at the Disney attraction.
Originally Posted By plpeters70 While I can understand why this show might be fun for the people who actually get on stage and sing, I just don't see why it would be entertaining for the rest of us. It's like watching someone sing karaoke at the local bar, except with judges - and without the booze. Not exactly something I'd have much interest in while I'm at WDW.
Originally Posted By leemac <<leemac predicts it will be very popular.>> I had explained in that other thread that I had a long standing relationship with AI's creator Simon Fuller and his entertainment company 19 Management. I also said that I couldn't be objective on AIE. I don't think I could have made that any clearer.
Originally Posted By MPierce Yes you most certainly did say that. I was merely summing up what you said in general. Here is the actual quote. >> I have no doubt that the show will be a success. It only needs 21 guests every day to sign up as auditionees and considering that DHS is more of a magnet for teenagers than the other three parks (mainly thanks to Tower of Terror and Rock 'n' Roller Coaster) I don't see that being number being a problem even on slow days. I think the structure of the show has been cleverly designed to ensure that it will work. <<
Originally Posted By CarolinaDisneyDad It could be popular with season pass holders or people who spend more than a week at WDW b/c they may have more time to spend in this attraction during their visit. But for guests that are only there for a week (like us) there just isn't enough time to devote an entire day to just 1 part of a park. We don't feel like we have enough time to do everything we want as it is. But I am encouraged that Disney is trying new types of attractions (toy story was great) but I would rather them create attractions for a wider range of guests. Then again I'm not a reality TV fan anyway. But I do hope it is successful and encourages WDW to create more new inovative attractions.
Originally Posted By Bob Paris >What kind of clueless dolt comes to a THEME PARK......well, Disney MGM anyway, to take part in a not for real talent show?!?< Umm, have you ever watched the show?" Umm, actually no. I don't wish too and cannot, for the life of me, understand why "Starsearch" with more neon is the "sensation" it is. I know there was some deal about this Sammo Hung guy a few years back but THAT is ALL I know about it.
Originally Posted By danyoung Then Bob, I respectfully suggest that you are not in a position to judge whether this new attraction is going to be a success or not. I am a fan of the show, but I have my doubts about the success of the theme park version. I will be seeing the show for myself in April, but I'm sure the web will be full of anecdotal evidence of the show's success or failure long before then.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<I had explained in that other thread that I had a long standing relationship with AI's creator Simon Fuller and his entertainment company 19 Management. I also said that I couldn't be objective on AIE. I don't think I could have made that any clearer.>> You have. No one should take a shot at you since you obviously are connected to it. If I had a financial interest in the success of a franchise, even if it sucked, I'd be extolling its virtues. Now ... if we could just get you to admit you said you were happy Disney wasn't going to be building in Shanghai and that Disney didn't need to be there, I'd be a happ(ier) spirit!
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<Umm, have you ever watched the show?" Umm, actually no. I don't wish too and cannot, for the life of me, understand why "Starsearch" with more neon is the "sensation" it is.>> Popularity isn't a gauge of quality in anything be it theme park attractions (Test Track anyone), retail (attention WalMart shoppers), food (Olive Garden) or politicians ('W' until people started getting smart 2-3 years ago when it was way too late). Folks often like things that aren't good for them. So I totally get why people watch Idol and why it is such a successful franchise. Doesn't mean that it isn't sh-- just that people enjoy ingesting it.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <Folks often like things that aren't good for them. < deep fried twinkies come to mind
Originally Posted By danyoung >Popularity isn't a gauge of quality in anything be it ... food (Olive Garden)< I can't for the life of me figger out why you don't like Olive Garden. Are there better restaurants in the world? Sure. Are there worse? Yup. I've always had great meals at Olive Garden. And the all you can eat salad & bread sticks just makes it even cooler.
Originally Posted By mstaft Enjoy the show- depending on the season- detest the idea of the attraction.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> <<I had explained in that other thread that I had a long standing relationship with AI's creator Simon Fuller and his entertainment company 19 Management. I also said that I couldn't be objective on AIE. I don't think I could have made that any clearer.>> You have. No one should take a shot at you since you obviously are connected to it. If I had a financial interest in the success of a franchise, even if it sucked, I'd be extolling its virtues. << I don't think anyone took a cheap shot at leemac. I only mentioned what he had said because he is a respected, and well known member of this board. Also he offered a different opinion on AIE than mine. I considered that his honest opinion. If he thought the show was going to flop he could have merely remained silent on the matter.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> <Folks often like things that aren't good for them. < deep fried twinkies come to mind << I've have got to try those someday My aorta tingles at the thought of it.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> I can't for the life of me figger out why you don't like Olive Garden. Are there better restaurants in the world? Sure. Are there worse? Yup. I've always had great meals at Olive Garden. And the all you can eat salad & bread sticks just makes it even cooler. << Because he's an iced latte snob!
Originally Posted By trekkeruss <<Folks often like things that aren't good for them>> In other words, AIE could indeed turn out to be a success, even if it isn't a "quality" attraction.
Originally Posted By Disney and beyond I'm loving the outright negativity guys. Yes, I totally understand the realism in all this, but I'm actually going to reserve Judgement until I actually see the show. I'm not a fan of the show at all, but you know what? I'm still pumped to see it. In fact, I'll be trying out for it. Am I a good singer? I don't like to think so, but It would be a blast to get on stage, so I'll take the chance. If I don't, fine! I'll actually choose to enjoy what else is actually at DHS, and thank God that I am able to be in a true state of bliss! This topic confirms my theory that an topic posted in by Spirit o' 74 will send me into a deep depression until five seconds later when I think about all the hope that I have in my mind, and how I look at Disney's good things, rather than bash an attraction that hasn't even been seen by the general public. Hope is what we all need. Hope! *quietly begins to sing There's A Great Big Beautiful Tomorrow while waiting to get knocked upside the head.*
Originally Posted By Bob Paris Baseless optimism always struck me as more stupid than cautious realism. And somehow, I don't think Walt had nasty and snarky reality starsearch contests on his mind when he strode around Tomorrowland humming that tune.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <>Popularity isn't a gauge of quality in anything be it ... food (Olive Garden)< I can't for the life of me figger out why you don't like Olive Garden. Are there better restaurants in the world? Sure. Are there worse? Yup. I've always had great meals at Olive Garden. And the all you can eat salad & bread sticks just makes it even cooler. < If you lived in a city with great Italian Neighborhoods and authentic Italian food you would understand.... Chicago - N.Y - St Louis - Philly Olive Garden is microwave crap comparatively Same as Pizza - Pizza Hut seems acceptable until you taste what it is actually supposed to be yes I would put OG on the same level as PH --
Originally Posted By Disney and beyond But this isn't the 1950s, is it? This is 2009. The world has changed. You are never going to get Walt's visions, you are going to get the modern day visions. Let me hit you up with a video game story that relates to this situation. The 2008 buzzword in Video Gaming was "casual" as in the casual gamer. A casual gamer, as the name implys, is a not a hardcore video gamer, but one who will play smaller games instead of the big action or adventure games. Nintendo has had sucess in buying the casual gamer over to them by releasing such games as Wii Fit, Wii Sports, and Wii Music. This is part of the reason why the Wii is the fastest selling system in history. However, the hardcore gamer has suffered some, but when Nintendo belts out one for the hardcore gamers, they still knock it out of the park. Super Mario Galaxy is the top hardcore game, being 2007 Game of the year in many publications. The hardcore gamers also have surprsingly great games in de blob and World of Goo Microsoft and Sony have now tried to copy Nintendo's sucess by adding various casual things to their systems. So what does this have to do with Disney? American Idol represents the same thing that Wii Sports or Wii Music represents, as do the current flock of Pixar rides: They are trying to bring in the casual fan by bringing things that appease them instead of the hardcore. I've actually enjoyed some of the casual games, such as I have enjoyed some of Disney's casual rides. I'll patiently be waiting for Disney's Super Mario Galaxy, de blob, or World of Goo, while reserving judgement about the casual things til I see them in person. I don't call it blind optimism, but just a hope that us hardcore fans are going to get something great. When in WDW, I'm always am in a state of perpetual bliss, and I don't remember once being unhappy (if you don't count my hatred for HIStA) I just enjoy the time I am there instead of complaing about what's gone. That doesn't mean I don't miss some of the things there, I am just more accepting of what I am able to do, and I appreciate that Disney has been able to adapt into the modern day.
